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EP 12: Transforming Wellness: Allison Jackson on Mindfulness, Meditation, and Building Authenticity
In Episode 12 of The Real You Podcast, host David Young interviews health and wellness expert Allison Jackson. They discuss the impact of meditation and mindfulness on emotional regulation, the importance of patience, and Allison's physical transformation.
Show Notes:
• Allison Jackson's transformative journey from struggling with weight issues to becoming a professional bodybuilder.
• Embracing a holistic approach to well-being, highlighting the importance of mindset and self-compassion.
• The diverse path to health, with a focus on finding what works best for you.
• The impact of mindfulness and meditation on emotional regulation and stress management.
• Practical advice on guided meditation apps like Insight Timer and daily mindfulness practices.
• Insights into sound therapy, wellness retreats, and tips for integrating them into your routine.
• Allison's professional journey and the importance of authenticity in building a personal brand on LinkedIn.
Key Takeaways:
• Mindset, self-compassion, and mindfulness practices like yoga, meditation, and journaling are crucial for achieving overall well-being and uncovering deeper emotions.
• Prioritizing mental and physical health through good sleep, unplugging from screens, and connecting with nature positively impacts well-being.
• Sound healing and wellness retreats offer meditative experiences and opportunities for self-care, personal growth, and a break from daily responsibilities.
• Transitioning from the corporate world to entrepreneurship allows for more authenticity and freedom in expressing oneself.
• Consistency and engagement on LinkedIn are essential for building a strong presence and connecting with like-minded professionals.
Allison (Goszka) Jackson 💗💫 | LinkedIn
Spiritual Wellness Practitioner (allisonjacksonfitness.com)
Welcome to the Real you Podcast. I'm your host, david Young, and this is episode number 12. This podcast discusses tapping into your potential and finding ways to be the truest version of yourself. Today, I'm joined by Allison Jackson, a fractional chief well-being officer, a speaker and also podcaster. We will discuss her journey using LinkedIn, health and wellness and a whole lot more. So, allison, thank you so much for taking time to join me on the show today, no problem. So, to get started, so you're here probably solely due to Matt Freed. He's a mutual friend of ours and I hired Matt back in November to help with some health and wellness, nutrition type stuff. And then, I think a couple months ago, he and you talked and then he instantly sent me a message or a text and was like you have to have Allison on the show. She's so great, she's the definition of authenticity Must have Allison now. So we have Matt to thank for this.
Speaker 2:He's at the same about you. He's like oh my gosh, I got to connect you with David. I was like okay, connect me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so fun. So he's like, oh my gosh, I got to connect you with David. I was like, okay, connect me, that's so fun. He's been a good guy and he's been very helpful in my journey these last several months. We'll just start with health and wellness. I know that's really near and dear to your heart and obviously a big part of what you're doing. Now we can just start high level and then we can get more specific as we go what health kind of, what health and wellness kind of means to you and why you take it so seriously, and just kind of your overall thoughts in that space.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to go way, way, way, way back to, you know, grammar school, high school. I always battled my weight. You know, I feel like in the 80s and 90s it was, you know, no pain, no gain, a lot of Richard Simmons, jazzercise, all the things, and I actually used to read my dad's muscle fitness magazines and try to lift weights in our unfinished basement, and I always dreamt of one day looking like that, being really muscular and lean, and I just thought it was very cool.
Speaker 2:I played field hockey in high school and college. I've done marathons, I've done every fitness thing you could think of Tough mudders, 5Ks, 10Ks, all the things right. So fast forward to 2012, it's still in my head. I want to try to compete in bodybuilding. So I did and I got hooked. It was just wild. It was so fun to just be able to transform your body through diet and exercise. So I competed, went pro for about 10 years. I did that. Uh, I always say my business found me. I got into online fitness, uh, nutrition and coaching because people were like, how are you getting ready? Like what are you doing? Cause every year I was dropping 20 to 25 pounds.
Speaker 2:Um so it was. It was great, it was fun, I loved helping women lose weight. And then we get older, right, and our bodies change and you have a couple of kids, you hit midlife and it's like all right, things that used to work don't work anymore and I really kind of pivoted. The pandemic hit. There was no competitions.
Speaker 2:I went and got my yoga teacher certification and it really made me kind of question how I was treating myself, how I treated. You know that self-compassion. Was I a good friend to myself? And I realized how hard I was pushing myself and my body. Was that really healthy? You know I'm using air quotes. So I really pivoted and I realized a lot of the women I was coaching, a lot of the issues they were having were around mindset and struggling with my worthy. Am I worthy of having my dream body? Am I worthy of eating these foods? So I've kind of pivoted and now I'm really focused on mindset as primary and really nutrition and movement as secondary Still super important, but as we go through different life changes, we need to really kind of reevaluate how that fits in our lives.
Speaker 1:No, I love that. So I think you and I then are polar opposite. Because of all of the exercises and health and wellness, lifting weights was my single least favorite thing to ever do. I worked with a trainer when I was in high school to try to get stronger, because I was always skinny and kind of frail and I just didn't have a lot of, you know, muscle or strength. And then when I was in college I put a year division three basketball and they used to make us this was kind of before. This was the early 90s, so weight training with basketball it was still relatively new. It's a big part of it now, but back then it was still kind of thought it like might mess with your shot or whatever. So.
Speaker 1:So our coach was like wanted do it, but not really. So he would send us in with the football strength coach, who was this very stereotypical, loud, gung-ho, just that kind of energy. And I would try to figure out ways to, when they weren't paying attention, make them think I was doing the reps when I did nothing. So my whole goal was to lift as little weight as possible. I have no idea why, but I just it just never appealed to me. I just I couldn't get.
Speaker 1:I couldn't get into it, um, but I loved it, but I love that you were doing it and I, and I hope people that have done it and it's like anything else, right, you just get really passionate about it and the change.
Speaker 1:I think that what you said there was really could do with your, to your body, with the muscle, with the weight, increasing the weight, the repetitions and all this stuff. And then you, you see the change and I think that's, I think that's really appealing because it's very tangible, right, you can, you can look at before and after pictures and like all this kind of stuff. So I can definitely see you know where that, where, that, where you got into that, um, and I remember those magazines like muscle and fitness and they would have like the huge guys like the mr olympus or whatever, um, the schwarzenegger types, um, and the guys just had like arms that were like bigger than my whole chest, um, so I so I think it's really, I think it's really interesting that you like kind of got hooked on that and really got into it.
Speaker 2:I think it's really really wild yeah, like you, everything looks like really healthy and you know eating your chicken and broccoli and rice. There is a whole I don't know underground like, yeah, steroids are prevalent. Yeah, you are essentially starving yourself and you're hungry most of the time and your hair is falling out and you're not sleeping. I think there's a lot that people don't talk about, because it does look so glamorous to be lean, like everyone was like you have a six pack. I'm like, yeah, but I'm angry all the time and I'm yelling at my family and I haven't had a cookie in ages and you, you sacrifice a lot. So and you get body dysmorphia because when you get so lean and you're only lean for a little bit of time, um, but you're like, oh my gosh. Then when I go back to normal again air quotes I'm fat, right, so you have this, this whole irrational thought process around what is thin or healthy and what is not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense and that you do. You know, hear those stories where you it almost becomes an obsession, right, like you want to look like that, you know, all the time and like you're working out all the time, and then it's like anything else. You just take it, you take it too far and then it becomes, you know, it becomes an issue. Um, so, and yoga? So we'll move into yoga, because that's another thing I can't do. So I'm probably the least, probably the least flexible person that you've ever met.
Speaker 1:Um, I had, I had to. I hurt my heel, I was doing one of the triathlons and I hurt my heel and so I had to go for some physical training. And so the guy was like putting me through some workouts and some stretching and I couldn't do them. I was like I'm not flexible, I can't, my body doesn't move away. He was like how do you not get hurt all the time? I'm like I've actually really never been hurt.
Speaker 1:He was like you're basically like a complete outlier. He was like you should, you should be heard all the time and I was like I don't know. So he like watched me run. He was like I can't watch you run. Sorry, just stop doing it, like it's ridiculous. Um so, I know that I probably should be doing yoga and stretching like all the time, but it also doesn't appeal to me. Um so, kind of talk about like how you found yoga and I know so many people that love it and it's it's also really ties into the mindset, because I've had a lot of people be like yoga is really a lot more mental than it is, like the movements and stuff. So, um, yeah, talk about kind of how you found yoga and what that means to you.
Speaker 2:I like to do it for myself. I like to do it for myself. It's kind of the yoga that you like the least. So I'm taking like hard flows, but I'd love to teach yin and restorative yoga, which is really slow and stretches that you hate, all those things. So, um, again, it's being able to kind of sit in silence and sit with yourself and sit in poses and be in discomfort and kind of really like breathe through them, which relates to the discomforts we go through in our real life and stress, and be able to breathe through it and be okay with it and be okay with yourself. So there really is a huge crossover to the mindfulness and yoga and all the things and the whole body. Mind connection is huge.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure. Did you notice when you really got into it and got certified and really kind of adopted it? Did you notice a difference in your life, how your relationship with your family, co-workers, friends? Could you feel a difference just in your temperament, how easily you were agitated, all that kind of stuff? Did you start to notice a real difference? Meditated, like all that kind of stuff? Did you start to notice like a real difference?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say that, combined with really having a regular meditation practice. So, whether it was with yoga or just sitting in stillness, I feel like meditation is a huge game changer. I mean, it's one of the few things that actually will physically change your brain and helps you regulate emotions, helps you manage stress, helps you in so many different ways. And again, whether you do that combined with yoga or whether you do it on your own, by itself, with an app, you know, I always tell people if you don't, if you feel like you don't know what you're doing, use a guided app to just as kind of guardrails. But it's so beneficial, even if you do it a couple minutes, it is a complete game changer.
Speaker 2:And I always said the same thing I don't know what I'm doing. I can't sit there. I'm always thinking about things. It's not about not thinking. It's about thinking and acknowledging it and letting it go and coming back to focusing on either a mantra or your third eye and in between them, in your forehead. It's really about practicing that mindfulness, because it's a muscle and it helps your, your mindset, your patience. You're all all like the good things no, I like that.
Speaker 1:There was somebody um on linkedin that talked about if you react to situations with calmness, like every situation, if you just somehow build that in and you react with calmness, just how much it completely changes everything right, because it's very easy, especially if you're not in a great mood, maybe didn't sleep right, or and you react with calmness, just how much it completely changes everything right, because it's very easy, especially if you're not in a great mood, maybe you didn't sleep right, or you get stuff going on in your life and then something happens, right.
Speaker 1:It's easy to kind of snap a little bit and you get angry or you say something, but he's like, if you get used to whatever it is and just that kind of the mindset of reacting with calmness, I thought that was really interesting like way to put it and how it changes things, because then if you have that same reaction but it's in a calm manner or tone, then it's completely. It completely differs. So I really think that, like meditation and yoga would help someone get to that kind of react with calmness kind of staged more easily.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would totally agree with that because you're practicing being in stillness and being mindful and slow, and it cuts across everything. Like right now I'm really leaning into being mindful with eating, like I feel like I eat so fast, so just like putting the fork down, taking a breath, not you know, multitasking, like really focus it, focus on what you're eating, it's with everything right, whether it's interacting with someone driving, taking a walk outside, like really being mindful of what you're doing. Um, it's going to be helpful again in your your reactions and response no, that's very great point.
Speaker 1:Um, I think your post today on linkedin you you mentioned the apps that you really like and one of them, I believe, was it insight timer or something similar, that you use that or you recommended that for, I think, some meditation correct yeah, so that's my go-to right now.
Speaker 2:I I have tried Headspace, I've tried Calm, I've tried other ones, but the beauty of it is, again, you could look up different themes like stress or anxiety, or calm or surrender. They have all different themes. They have breath work, they have you know, you could just set a timer and just sit with yourself and not have something guide it. But the beauty of it is it's on your phone, it's with you all the time. It's free. I mean, obviously they have a premium version, but the free version is hugely beneficial. You could save your favorites and return to them. So that's one that I really like.
Speaker 1:Nice. Yeah, I've tried Calm and Headspace it's been a while ago and didn't stick with any of them. But I don't think I've tried Insight Timer, so I'll be sure to try that one. I have a hard time.
Speaker 1:My biggest problem with meditation and I'm sure you've heard this before and it's funny because I always say that nothing's happening and everybody's like that's the point and I'm like, yeah, I know, but it still doesn't feel like anything's happening. Like if I go run, like my heart rate, I can feel my heart rate going up. I break a sweat, like it feels like I've done something. Lifting weights right, you, there's that exertion uh, muscles are tired or whatever. But, like when I try meditation, it just I feel the same as I did when I got started. So I'm like what happened? And then I know you're like stick with it and I get it, but I have a hard time. I just have a hard time doing it and I know I need to do more of it because I read here and read you know so many people talk about, you know how much it helps and stuff. So I need to figure out a way to like dedicate more than like a couple of times, like more than like a couple of times.
Speaker 2:Like nope, doesn't work. Moving on, they always say and I won't go all woo but they say, praying is you're asking the universe or God or something for something right, you're praying for something. So when you sit in meditation it's asking yourself what do I need right now? Like listening to that. I would say listen to your soul, listening to that higher version of you that you know gets muddled Like you have. There's so many other voices and responsibilities throughout the day. You don't really get to hear that voice often, usually maybe when you're falling asleep, if you're lucky. But if you sit in meditation and really think to myself what do I need to know today? What do I? What's the what's the best? You know my my next best step for today, that that's going to help me. A lot of times you might get like really interesting ideas or interesting thoughts that pop into your head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have not heard that one. I will. I jotted that down and I will. I will definitely try it.
Speaker 1:I know someone oh, I can't think who it was um, but they were saying, like they start their day with that um, like asking themselves, like what do I need?
Speaker 1:Like what's the most important thing I need today? Maybe it's rest, maybe it's a's a hard workout, maybe it's doing a lot of work. You know all the different things we have to do on our plates which, like you said, at times just seems like it's just too much, and we have our time. You know deciding, but kind of asking yourself, you know what's the most important thing I need today, which I thought was an interesting kind of way to start today. You know kind of checking in and then you know identifying it. Make sure you get to that. Whatever it is, try to make sure you get to that you know to start your day. What, what would you say from a mindset in your learnings and your teaching, like kind of the top couple things in terms of being mindful or having the right mindset, you know going into certain situations. What kind of what are you? What's kind of your top couple of things that you would tell someone that you're working with.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I always say getting a good night's sleep. Sleep is very much underrated, so making sure you get a good night's sleep is always super important. It kind of sets your tone for the day If you do get a chance to either meditate or do some breath work. But I think getting grounded before you either start the day or enter a situation that may be high stress, and it could be as simple as doing box breath, which is or box breathing, it's about four by four, where you inhale for four, hold for four, breathe out for four and pause for four. They sometimes call it tactical breathing. They say that a lot of times Navy SEALs or the military will use it to kind of calm themselves for a situation. So getting grounded in those ways can be super helpful.
Speaker 2:And then another one is you know, when people get overwhelmed or stressed or anxious, it's just writing it out, like writing. You know why do I feel this way? I did this the other day. I was like really upset, like why is this upsetting me? And then I'll write out and then but why, you know? Just keep asking why, to try to get to the root cause. And it's really helpful to realize that maybe there's something that you didn't realize has been weighing on you that you just kind of haven't let go. So I think it's really important to kind of dig deep with yourself. A lot of times, things that are triggering or you're upset or you're angry, it's usually it's kind of you know something you didn't realize you're holding on to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I love those. I have thoughts on all three, so we'll start with the first one uh, sleep. So there's a book called iron war which you probably have not read. Uh, it's the story of the 1989 Ironman triathlon and there was a guy named Mark I'm going to I don't remember their names off the top of my head. One of the guys' name was Mark and the other guy's name was Dave and they were both the top kind of full Ironman triathletes at the time and they had this big like head to head rivalry. So the book is really about, I think it's the 1989 race in Hawaii and it really details like their relationship and their training and then the race. It's really. It's really interesting if you're into triathlon. And then the race. It's really interesting if you're into triathlon.
Speaker 1:But the reason I bring it up is there's a part in that book when, talking about you were talking about sleep and there was a I don't remember when this was, it's been a long time ago, but it was a German cycling team and they wanted to do a study on the effect of sleep.
Speaker 1:So they split the cyclists up in two different camps and they had the same. Everything was the same except one of the teams got nine hours of sleep every night on average and the other team got eight hours, so you're kind of standard eight. They added one hour, but everything else very similar, food, training, all of it and then they measured their output and I don't know, I don't remember all the specifics, but the takeaway was the team that got the extra hour of sleep every night, so essentially seven extra hours, you know, a week, performed to the, performed better to the point where it seemed like they were taking like performance enhancing drugs, um, like that's what they figured out, so that I think I always remember that so clearly is just, and these are like elite cyclists, like these were like kind of the best of the best at the time. Um, so they're already great and in great shape, but just adding that extra hour of sleep made it seem, almost made it seem, like they were cheating, um, which I always, which I think is fascinating that is fascinating.
Speaker 2:Now I have to check out. I wrote that book down. I've never, heard of that. That's fascinating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, and then so too, with the box breathing. So the first time I heard that there's another book uh, it's called way of the seal, by a guy named Mark divine. I don't know if you've ever heard of him or that book, but I haven't read it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's got. He has two or three books out, um, but I read that one a while ago and I think that was his first one. That was the first time. He talks a lot about box breathing and just how effective it is. And then you mentioned the seals and that was big and I've used that one in the past. That is a good one because it really what I like about that one is it really makes you, when you're thinking four, you're like breathing for four, letting go for four, it's hard to not focus on the breathing for at least for me, because I'm thinking about the numbers. So, instead of just taking like deep breaths and you're thinking about a million other things, like when you're really focused on the count, I find is is very helpful, um, which is, which is interesting, that you you mentioned that and, uh, that book. Was he really really talked like highly about that one?
Speaker 1:love it, love it um, and then so writing it down. So I I've seen this a lot too I actually saw it today or yesterday on linkedin but, uh, like the five why's. So when you're trying to figure something out, right, you come up with that kind of first thing like what's going on, and then you do one why and you try to answer that. You try to get, if you can, to five why's and typically, if you can do it, once you get down to like that fourth and fifth why, then you really get to kind of the heart of the issue, right? So, yes, you're upset and frustrated, but there's a lot more going on than just someone cut you off, or you know your car wasn't ready when they said it was going to be, or you know whatever.
Speaker 1:So I think that's really interesting. So is that something that you is like a consistent practice? Or do you do it more when you're maybe, like you said, you weren't feeling you know yourself until you thought, okay, let's try to figure this out. Or do you do it regularly or like how do you? How do you tackle that one?
Speaker 2:My journey varies, so if I'm having a, if I'm struggling with something, I will do the five whys. Another thing that I like to do is so they say that when you, right before you fall asleep or right before you wake up, you're in a state like you're just getting ready to write, to go into kind of your, your subconscious, um. So when I wake up, I try to do three pages, just three pages, just write like whatever's on my mind, whether it's what I'm doing today, um, things I'm trying to figure out, uh, things that I'm I'm struggling with, whether it's sketching, writing it. But I find when you do that sometimes you come up with these great ideas because I feel like you haven't been tainted by your phone yet, or like the rest of the world. That's another thing. I've been trying to not look at my phone within the first hour of waking up, so really being able to just kind of wake up, have some water.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I'll walk the dog. Depending on what time it is, I'll walk the dog, but then I'll walk the dog, depending on what time it is, I'll walk the dog, but then I'll like dive into those three pages and just do like almost like a brain dump and someone that I learned this from said it's as if they're like you never run out of your house without like brushing your teeth and brushing your hair and kind of like they're like, well, it's the same thing for your brain it's almost like clearing the cobwebs and like defragmenting and just kind of doing a brain dump of what, what's, what's in there. So I found that that's very helpful. But it varies day to day, depending on what I have going on, how I feel when I wake up. So I try to be very intuitive about my morning routine. I used to be very regimented when I was competing and I try to have a little grace with myself and kind of just ebb and flow.
Speaker 1:Nice, how long does it take you to do like a stream of consciousness three pages, how long does that take?
Speaker 2:Usually probably about like 15 minutes.
Speaker 1:Okay, I've heard people talk about that. I've never tried it. One of the things they said was you know, the first we'll say five minutes of it is just like a lot of almost like gibberish. It's just kind of weird like random stuff. But then she was like if you can kind of struggle through that and you're like this makes no sense, I don't even know what I'm writing you get, like you said, clear the cobwebs. She was like then you can actually get to like oh, there's something kind of buried, whether it's an idea or thought or project or whatever. Um, so that that was really interesting, that the way she kind of described it was like getting rid of the first part to get to the good stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause, like the first part, sometimes I'll write. I don't know what to write. I literally there's nothing on my mind. But then, like this morning, I wrote and I came up with this whole idea. I was like, oh my gosh, I have this great idea for like a giveaway and I like drop, like just kind of like sketched it all out and I was like, okay, that was really like cathartic and I feel like I accomplished something no, that's nice.
Speaker 1:So I it's funny I usually get ideas because you're talking about walking the dog. So I walk the dog at least twice a day, sometimes three times a day. That's probably one of the most mindful things that I do, because I never take my phone. Um, I try to be really present with him and then just like the neighborhood and especially now that the weather's getting better and grass is green, you hear lawnmowers and the land, mulch is going down and birds and it's all this stuff. So I try to really like think about that. But I get a lot of ideas on those walks. I mean, sometimes you're only, you know, 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:But it's really interesting when you, when you really unplug and you're not around the screen, you're outside and like your brain has a chance to just kind of like calm down. Then I'm like you, I'm like, oh, like, what about this or what about this idea, or I could write a post about this or whatever like it. Just so I noticed that, like in the shower, again unplugged, uh, sometimes driving, if I don't have any, not playing any music or podcast or anything, and just driving, that will do it. And then running, and I don't usually run with any music. So those are kind of like the four things and they're all related. Because there's no screen right, there's no stimulus to the brain. I think that's really kind of fascinating.
Speaker 2:I love that so much. I love hearing that you walk the dog without your phone. Because I'm the same way. I'm like. I just want to take in the colors and the sounds and the smells it makes me angry.
Speaker 1:I get viscerally angry when I see people on their phones. I'm like first of all, I know that you're on that thing all the time. You're probably sitting in front of a computer screen when you left your house. How long is that dog walk? You're not walking that dog for nine hours, right? How long is the walk? Leave the phone. Leave it. There's nothing. You're missing nothing, Nothing.
Speaker 2:You're not, I'm with you. I love that. And I'm the same way with running. Like I don't listen to music, I don't. I mean, I'll bring my phone, but I'll just like turn it off and like just to have it. As you know, obviously, if I need help, yeah, but I love that.
Speaker 1:I love that. Yeah, I used to be a and then I went to podcasts, um, and then I don't know, a couple, two, three years ago I was like I, I'm plugged in all the time, I'm surrounded by all that stuff all the time, like I'm not going to run for that long, like let's just, let's just focus on the running. Uh, it's I. It's one of those where I was like I should have done this like a long time ago.
Speaker 2:Right, don't you find it very meditative?
Speaker 1:Yes, I do, and that's the thing, and other people have said that they're like well, while it might be hard for you to like sit and like traditional meditate, you know sitting. You know arms, palms on the knees and eyes closed and like all that kind of stuff, they're like you know there's a hundred ways to meditate. So they were like you're doing it in a different way, because when you're running, if you're really focusing on your breathing and your heartbeat and the birds and like they're like that's a form of meditation. Right, it might not seem like traditional, but like you're doing it in a different way. So if that counts, then I do more of it than I probably give myself credit for.
Speaker 1:You absolutely do Any repetitive motion like swimming, biking, running, walking, like anything like that it's totally, totally meditative yeah, the I mean honestly, the dog has probably saved me these last few years because he was a covet dog and you know, now, being home for all these years and like it just for he forces me to go out because he'll either uh, he's in the crate right now, but normally he's right here in my office, but you know he'll sleep most of the time. But then he like gets up and starts walking around like hey, like I'm, I'm done sleeping, um, like let's go do something. And so then force you, even even if it's in the yard for five minutes throwing the ball or whatever, right, it's just just refreshing. And again, even if it's I mean the weather's good now but even if it's ice cold, you get bundled up and you go out there and it's still like that cold air feels good. So it's year round. And then you know the walks, like I said it just, it's sometimes like the highlight of my day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, my gosh, I'm with you. We have a COVID dog as well, and I that's what I love is now trained. Well, I should say she trained me. When she hears me log off of video calls, she knows it comes like barging in, like okay, you're off, it's time to go.
Speaker 1:That's great. Yeah, he's been a real, real addition, a real nice addition to the family, and I do most of the work, but that's okay Because now. I kind of like it.
Speaker 2:Same here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to talk a little bit about I know nothing about this, but you've posted about this recently the sound therapy, sound healing. I don't think I'd ever come across that, so I'm just really curious to hear more A, what it is and then B, kind of how you found it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So how did I find it? That's a great question. I think I had taken one as part of like a yoga class or meditation session or something, but it's essentially it could be quartz or crystal bowls and the bowls are a certain frequency and each frequency has these healing, healing I don't know what you would call it like. They heal on a cellular level. So our bodies are what? 80 to 90% water. So when you play the bowls or you play different instruments, the frequencies are supposed to have a healing effect and it's unbelievable. You can look it up. There's this thing called the sulfasio frequency and it's what monks chant at, also very soothing. You could look up on YouTube or Spotify and play it in the background. It's wonderful to work with because there's no words, it's just kind of sounds very lovely.
Speaker 2:So I was hosting my first retreat last fall and I was like I want to offer sound healing as part of like I was doing yoga, I was doing some workshops, and I was doing yoga, I was doing some workshops and I was like I really want to offer sound healing. So, um, I found, um a friend of mine who she does yoga, she's reiki, she's all like kind of the healing modalities she was doing sound. I love it. I love it. It's so fun. So I love doing um yoga with meditation and some breath work and then end it with like a sound healing and it's just like this. Sometimes it's called the sound bath. It's just the sound and the vibrations. It's just so incredibly soothing and relaxing. So, yeah, it's been really really interesting. And so a couple of companies have actually signed up and said, yeah, you know, come during lunch and offer a sound healing with meditation. Like it's just a lovely way to reset, recharge, refocus, um, and you can meditate while you know, meditate while you're having a sound healing.
Speaker 2:I just attended one this week. It was a full moon sound healing. So they set intentions you do a sound healing, you journal. It's just, it's um. It's really it's fun. I highly recommend trying it out.
Speaker 1:Interesting. What so? How like? So how long do you have to do it? And then are those like the materials, the cords, the bowls, that stuff you have around the house, the stuff you buy, like, what is like? How do you, how would you set it up? If you're interested?
Speaker 2:yeah, so, uh, funny, uh, amazon has all kinds of sound bowls. So I have quartz sound bowls and each bowl is the frequency goes with a certain chakra. So chakras are energy centers within your body, so there are varying frequencies. There's also metal, hand hammered Tibetan metal bowls. So I have one of those as well. They obviously play a very different sound. And then the crystal bowls are super expensive.
Speaker 2:I do not have any, but when you hear them you could really hear like they're just it's a much different sound than the quartz ones, but again same frequency. So Amazon has, I mean, what is there anything Amazon doesn't have? But I have? I have chimes, I have an ocean drum, I have a rain stick, like there's all different kinds of sounds and it's just. Yeah, and it's the beauty of it is, you're not playing to like music, you're just playing it all very intuitively. Um, so yeah, and there's no time, like you don't have to, it doesn't have to be a certain time. So, for example, I host like a wellness Friday for a PR firm and it's 30 minutes in the morning on Fridays. So I do 15 minutes of like some chair yoga, meditation and breath work and then 15 minutes of sound healing.
Speaker 1:Interesting. Yeah, when you posted about that, I think that's the first time I've ever heard of it or, if I have, it didn't jog any memories. So that's really interesting. I'm curious to kind of dive into that and see what that's about. That's really cool and different. You talk about the retreats. Is that something you do consistently now? Did you do that in the past? How often do you do them? What do they look like? I'm curious. What are those retreats like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I am a huge fan of attending retreats. I try to do it every quarter or two or three times a year and they vary, right. They have ones that are focused on yoga. They have one that I've been attending every year for the past three years. It's called Rise Gathering. It's in the Poconos, it's almost like glamping but it's like 200 women. They have all different workshops like acupuncture, drumming, breathwork. It's all like very holistic wellness stuff that you I get jazzed about.
Speaker 2:There's one, the one that I hosted. I hosted this past fall. I've always wanted to try hosting one because I was like I think it'll be really fun. It was really focused on was called the soul recharge retreat and it was really focused on tapping into your intuition, being your authentic self. We did some yoga, we did some sound healing meditation, but it was at an amazing all-inclusive luxury resort. So that's the other thing too, right, and kind of sharing stories and really getting spa treatments. They vary Like. I did one that was wine and yoga. That was a ton of fun, but it's just a great way to kind of just step away from the screens and the responsibilities and all the stuff even if it's only for a day or two and, uh, spend some time doing things you love.
Speaker 1:That sounds really fun. Are they typically like a couple days in length, or four days or a week, or like how does it vary how long they are?
Speaker 2:yeah, it varies, so there's there's day retreats, like you just. There's one actually I just heard about that like the day and it's at the shore, which sounds great like 10 to 6 um, the ones I've gone through, gone to um they start friday night and end sunday afternoon. There's ones that are entire weeks, which I have not I haven't tried a full week yet and then they have ones that are international. They have them in morocco and costa rica and a lot of the different um yoga teachers will partner with uh travel companies that actually specialize in like destination retreats and different things. So they're a lot of fun. They have ones that are even. I went to one last year that was in Savannah, that was focused on entrepreneurs, but then also it was very like bougie and luxurious and, you know, focused on female entrepreneurs. So that one was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:No, that's really. Yeah, that's really interesting. I see that too on LinkedIn a lot just like retreats and different things. So we'll kind of switch gears a little bit to your business, and I know the last time when we talked getting to know each other, we talked about kind of our corporate backgrounds and some frustrations I think that both of us had in the corporate world. So talk a little bit about kind of your corporate background and then kind of how you got to what you're doing now, which is a little bit more like fractional, almost more like consulting type work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I spent my entire career in corporate communications. I've worked. I was a brand snob, so my resume has, like MetLife and Verizon and Hertz and KPMG and all these big name brands I've always supported executives and helping, you know, convey business strategy, doing social media and executive visibility everything from PR to newsletters and that type of stuff which I've always enjoyed. So I was with KPMG for about 10 years and then I left this past summer to join a fintech startup and, as we all know, that is a risky move.
Speaker 2:So I was laid off in February and I decided I always had a side hustle. You know, wellness has always been my kind of little side passion and I was like you know what, why not lean into it full time and go all in? So my business was online fitness and nutrition coaching and now it's really evolved into being a fractional chief with Brian Timothy Associates, which is an agency of fractional executives, and really leaning into consulting and helping companies figure out if they have wellness, why isn't it working Like, why are employees happy? And if they don't have wellness, what's the ROI Like, why should we embrace it?
Speaker 2:And then also doing, you know, sound healing and meditation and yoga for companies as well. So it's been super fun. I still do a little bit of one-on-one, but again it takes more of a spiritual focus. I know people get get scared of the word spiritual, but it's really about holistic health right, your sleep, your nutrition, your movement, you're taking time for yourself, all that good stuff. So I still do a little bit of that, but I really am enjoying kind of feeling like I could serve my mission better across companies and being able to help them and their employees, because, as we both know, we know what good employee engagement satisfaction looks like.
Speaker 1:Do we?
Speaker 2:We know what we think it looks like. Have we experienced it?
Speaker 1:I took a lot of surveys. I don't know if I ever graded them the way that they wanted, I'll tell you that, but yeah, I get your point. I love that. I kind of found and again, I didn't work for that many companies, but it seemed to be more of a box check um, like, yeah, health and wellness is important, but then there wasn't like a real follow-up, right, like it was just maybe you took a, maybe you took a webinar, or maybe they had somebody come and talk you know one time for 45 minutes and it's like, yeah, that's not gonna do it. Um, but then they served, you know like terrible food at the cafeteria, right, or still had vending machines full of candy or whatever. Right, I mean it's there was.
Speaker 1:It was not congruent, the message was not congruent, and I know, but I mean it's, there's a lot that goes into that, there's money and there's resources and whatever, but yeah, so I think a lot of it. You know there's a lot of things I think companies do because it's in vogue, um, it sounds good now, probably like diversity, equity, inclusion, right, but how much are? Like, how much are companies really doing? Um, are they just doing it because they know that they're supposed to right. So I don't know.
Speaker 1:Uh, so I'm a little jaded on that, but I I do get your point and I'm happy to hear that it's something that the company you're working with is doing, because it's very important, and I think it's probably more so for smaller companies. I think it'd be harder for the bigger companies, but for the smaller ones, where you have a little bit more flexibility, to do things like yoga or sound healing and all this stuff, they really help Because, as we know, the better you feel, the better work you can do, and then it feeds itself. So is the group that you're with. Do they help you find clients? Do you have to find your own clients? What's the process like to start working with someone or a company?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's a little bit of both. So, um, I'm, you know, reaching out to my network and trying to understand where people need help, and they're doing the same thing. Uh, we're actually hosting like educational webinars each week to so that people could get a better understanding of the type of help we can provide. But it's really just kind of exciting to kind of jump in with both feet and see how we could help implement change and help companies that are struggling with this. Because, to your point, I do feel like there's a lot of check in the box, there's a lot of wellness washing right. It feels like the pandemic is just kind of a distant thing. That happened long ago but we're still all kind of dealing with the ramifications of it and, you know, wellness is not going away.
Speaker 1:No, no, definitely isn't. Yeah, it is interesting how the pandemic is like simultaneously, it happened yesterday and 100 years ago, right, it's a weird time. It's a weird thing because it was such a big event that affected everyone. And then sometimes you're like, wow, 2020, that was so long ago. And then other days you're like God, I feel like we just got out of it. So true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really strange but it's sad when I see posts about forcing people back in the office and like kind of returning back to those those old ways, when I feel like you know most jobs can be done wherever right you have a laptop and internet connection not a whole lot that you can't do, obviously, some manufacturing jobs and there's some onsite stuff. You know facilities and that kind of stuff that you know has to be done in person, and there's others too, but I think a majority of your you know has to be done in person. There's others too, but I think a majority of your you know finance and marketing and hr and all that kind of stuff. Like you know you don't have to, you don't have to be there and with with zooms and google meet, and you know all the different ways that you can, you know, have a live conversation with someone. Like we don't have to be in the same city, um, so it's sad when I see the companies doing that, because I feel like it's a lack of trust and feel like I have to be watching over you, which is those were all the things that I despised when I was working in an office. Like I, I never needed a manager. I know I have to have one because that's those are the rules that have been written and we don't change the rules, uh, which is why we're still working nine to five, which also makes no sense. So we're still working nine to five, which also makes no sense. So we're still working 40 hours a week. It doesn't make any sense. Uh, we're holding on. We're holding on to this.
Speaker 1:I mean, that was set up in what like the forties for for manufacturing reasons, and then here we are, almost 20, very quickly approaching 2025, and we're still doing it the same way. Like, why? Like there's no, it doesn't, it makes no sense. Um, so, yeah, I'm, I'm happy to hear that and that, you know, hopefully they're bringing you in and and what you're doing is kind of opening their eyes and it's helping people feel better. Um, because, you know, most people are, I think it's like what 60, 70% are really happy with their jobs, and then, if you're not feeling well, then it's a, it's a really, it's a really not a great place to be. I was there for a long time and I don't recommend it.
Speaker 2:Um. So if you can feel better, even if you're disgruntled or frustrated, then you can you know, kind of help offset.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'd want to be there. Yeah, I worked for a company and when I got the tour, they were like, well, you know, here we have this really nice gaming room and we have ping pong and we have video games and like all this kind of stuff. And I was like who, who's what is this, who's this for? Like, I'm gonna play ping pong in the middle of day, like what. I don't play video games. Why do we have, why do we have this?
Speaker 1:yeah can give me an extra day off. How much did that cost? Can you? Can we divide that up? I just get an extra. Can you give me a? Give me an amazon gift card for 100 bucks. Yeah, that means way more than you can go play an arcade game, um, yeah, so it's kind of weird, um, to talk a little bit about, uh, linkedin. Uh, that's obviously where I spend a lot of time and you do as well. When did you get really active in terms of like, posting and networking and like, what's that experience been like for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So, um, I feel like so recharged and energized because for so long I felt like I had to be very careful and have guardrails on my social media posts because I, you know, I was an employee right, I was an employee first and I was a side hustler second. So I feel like the gloves are off and now I could go kind of full tilt and it's been super fun because I get to post whatever I want about whatever I want. So I could be vulnerable, I could share my story, I could, you know, post about, you know, having my own business. So I really kind of I've been leaning wholeheartedly into LinkedIn, trying to post every, every day, every weekday, full disclosure.
Speaker 2:I do use Tapleo, which, I'm like, is like a crack. I don't know if I could ever get off it. I love it so much. It helps with helping to give ideas for content, helping me to refine it, scheduling it, giving me analytics, like that sort of stuff. But I've found that it's also helpful, obviously, to connect, engage. That's how we met through Matt and that's how Matt and I met. So it is just, uh, you get out what you put into it. So I do spend like an hour or two every day on LinkedIn, but it is um. You know, it's a great way to meet people.
Speaker 1:No, I agree, I've got you beat on the hour or two a day, so we won't talk anymore about that.
Speaker 2:but uh, I don't feel guilty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I spent, I spent a lot of time there, but, um, but no, it's changed my life. You know, I mean I had an account for four or five years but I didn't, you know, I didn't post or engage or anything. I just kind of passively occasionally logged in and all I saw were, you know, job promotions and job updates and whatever. Uh, and then I started posting and then, you know, eight months later I quit my job, launched a podcast and now I have my own business.
Speaker 1:So life moves pretty fast sometimes but all of that was due to putting my thoughts out there and sharing my story and trying to meet people from all over the world and I had all the one-on-one Zoom calls and it's just kind of opened this door to a whole other facet of life that I didn't even know was going on. So, yeah, it's been amazing. So I encourage anyone whether you're perfectly happy in your job and you don't feel like you have anything to say like, just start. Just start sharing your story, because we all have a different lived experience. We all have a different story, even if we experience the same thing.
Speaker 1:It's different because of our past and you can't really ever go wrong with building your network, forming relationships, because you never know when you're going to need them layoffs or whatever Just lots of stuff can happen and that's not the time to start building when you need it. You want to do it well before you need it. So, yeah, I think LinkedIn is a great platform and I've learned so much and just met so many smart, high energy, just high achieving, talented, creative, driven people and it just always makes me feel so good when I come across them. So, yeah, I think LinkedIn is just it's terrific, terrific social media platform.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would agree totally. So what have you found to be the biggest kind of dial mover since you've been full tilt?
Speaker 1:that's a good question, I think. I think it's a combination. Uh, being consistent is a big one. Um, I'm a big proponent of posting um at the same time. Doesn't have to be every day, but if it's two days a week or three days a week, like, do it at the same time on those two or three days, or if you're doing five days, um, and really telling people, like when you post so that they know you know when to expect it.
Speaker 1:Uh, the engagement piece is certainly part of it. You know you, you have to engage. Um, people have to know that you exist and, um, I know a lot of people don't. They feel like they have to do that. But I don't do it from a place of have to like I really I I enjoy a lot of the engagement that I do because people write interesting things and I learn interesting things. I like to share my thoughts on it. But you have to do that because otherwise, like, I had no presence. So if I hadn't started engaging with other people's content, like, no one was going to find me. So you know you have to get, you have to get on and and and share your thoughts, and I think, especially when you're starting out.
Speaker 1:You know, I think you should treat those comments almost like mini posts, right. Like you know, don't just don't just drop one line, like really write something that moved you in the post, or you learn something, or you you have something different to say, maybe you have a different opinion, or you read a book that was related, or whatever. Like try to try to add to it, but write something more. And when you're starting out that I've had a lot of people have seen like my comments, and then they come to my my profile page and then they follow me or we connect. So it isn't just your content like your actual posted content. That's, that's a one way.
Speaker 1:But the commenting, if you take it seriously, I'm a big proponent of like quality over quantity. So I'm not saying you have to comment on a hundred posts a day, but rather you do 10, but make those 10, again like mini posts right and you can kind of build. So I think consistency and engagement would probably be the two big thing, two big needle movers in terms of if you're trying to build your profile and like build your network or grow your business or you know, whatever it is your goals are. I think those are the two. I mean there's a bunch, but I think those are the two.
Speaker 2:I think there's a bunch, but I think those are the two big ones. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Speaker 1:I agree with that, for sure, um, do you have you noticed? Have you gotten I don't know if the point of your posting? Are you trying to get clients, uh, like to work when you're not doing a ton of one-on-one? Are you trying to do that? Is it maybe trying to find companies that would you could work with, or is there? Is it mostly just like you're trying to find companies that would you could work with, or is there? Is it mostly just like you're just trying to build your, your personal network? Like, what are your, like, what's your content? Kind of the, the goals.
Speaker 2:Say, a combination. So I was trying to build my, my email list, so I was trying to be more educational about wellness and just kind of put the word out there. I am also trying to find clients and so, you know, doing outreach and trying to, to your point, comment and connect with people and see what's what, but I do feel like I need to be more forthcoming about what I can do and provide. I feel like I haven't been doing that lately. But, yeah, ultimately would love to kind of get more clients while I'm also growing my following.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have found, as I've moved in these last two to three months, where you start thinking about it as a business and wanting to work with clients and sign clients. It's definitely a switch, because most of the content I wrote prior to that would be what they would call just top of funnel growth content right, Entertainment, education, personal stories, lessons learned but no real selling because I didn't have an offer. But now that I do and then like what you're talking about is like, obviously I don't want to post about that like all the time because that doesn't work. So it's trying to find that middle ground of like how many posts should be. This is what I'm doing, this is my offer and this is how I can help you versus the others. I think it just takes some practice or some nuance to try to figure out the right cadence. Obviously, it depends on how much you're posting too. I think that's a struggle, I think, especially for newer online business people, to figure out the rhythm of the sales converting post versus the educational and entertainment post.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'd agree with that.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, if people don't know if you do have an offering, whether it's a product or service, and you don't talk about it, then it's hard for them to find it. So you do have to get that message out there like, hey, I actually do offer you know x, y, z or whatever, and get in touch with me, I can give you more information. Um, so it's always, it's a. I think that's kind of a constant for me. Anyway, it's like a kind of a constant, uh, like evaluation and practice, you know, to try to try to figure that out. Um, so obviously you have a big personal branding like background, because you did that, you know a lot in your corporate days and now you're kind of doing it. What have you kind of taken from your corporate personal branding that you've applied?
Speaker 2:you know, as you're trying to kind of build this up for yourself, yeah, I think it's consistency kind of, and you know, putting forth, I guess, specifically with like LinkedIn, like I love using the feature section to make sure, kind of, everything lines up to how you're presenting yourself Right and what you have to offer, whether it is a newsletter or freebie or an actual offer. But I think to your point about consistency, that's key and also just kind of setting the stage for your authority and credibility. So, sharing what you've done, what you're seeing and hearing, um, I think that's key in being a thought leader. Sharing industry trends, um is another one. And then looking for places where you can insert yourself, whether it's through a pr perspective, speaking engagements, whether they're they're free or paid.
Speaker 2:I think doing those things. It's funny because I think back now I'm like all right, what did I used to do for these executives? It's like, you know, going through the list of like, oh, we got to. You know, we would pitch them for these media outlets. We would, you know, try to get them to engage with other leaders. You know, in my corporate days we used to do LinkedIn Lives and those are huge ones in terms of engagement and exposure. So, um, that's on my list to do, uh, but that's another, another really good one. So those are the things I'm trying to uh to pull in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting. You're taking what you did for others. Now you're like I can do this for myself.
Speaker 2:Exactly With zero budget. But yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, right, exactly, no, it's funny. Yeah, the LinkedIn Lives that's on my list. I'm going to try I'm hoping in May to do at least one, if not two next month. But that's been on my radar for a while and I'm like you. I've heard, I've seen them and I've heard other people who have used them talk about just it's. It's just another good way just for people to see you and hear you and maybe you can teach something and then take questions, and just for people out there that maybe aren't familiar with it or considering working with you. It just gives them another way to kind of experience you and your product or service, which I think is really cool. But I know that and you probably know more about this than I do, but I know you can't because LinkedIn doesn't host them, so you have to use a third party site like StreamYard or something, but I don't know a ton about that so I need to do some more research. But yeah, I see that a lot and I know that they're valuable for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, they definitely are, and you're right, you do have to use like a third party streaming, and they have a couple that they work with to your point. Streamyard is one of those, but it's not difficult by. We were just talking about, like, the mask that we wear, and like unmasking.
Speaker 1:And, um, he was like that's like the third time you brought that up, so maybe like, maybe that should be the name of your show, or you should, that you should tie that in. I was like, oh, I didn't realize that and so I started Googling or Spotify searching like masks podcast, and it's all crime. It's all crime it's all.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know unmasking killers, like all this kind of stuff, right, not aligned with your brand. Yeah. So I was like, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna scrap, I'm gonna scrap the mask unmasking part, um. And then so but I was, I was like, okay, he's kind of he's in the right area, I think, and so I kind of kept thinking about it. And then so I love the who, it's one of my favorite bands and they one of my favorite who songs called the real me, um, which is kind of talking about like how different people and in their lives are, like viewing them. And so I thought, oh well, I'll just, I'll just swap you for me, uh, or me for you. And so, um, I settled it. I figured the who probably would not let me use the real me and also their song, so I I wanted to get away from that. So that's why I settled on the Real you and the idea was, as we get older and we mature and we have more life experience and all the ups and downs, I think the goal is we evolve and get closer to that version of ourselves where we're not afraid to just be ourselves, say what we think, we're not worried about the outcome, we're not worried about the judgment or the criticism or whatever. We just kind of get more comfortable in our own skin, and it's not being disrespectful or anything like that, but it's just like this is kind of who I am, and like, if you're not okay with it, that's cool. And if you are also cool Because I feel like when you're younger, you're just, I was always worried a lot more, like in your 20s or in school, like what are my friends think?
Speaker 1:Or I don't want to, I don't want to say something, maybe that they might not agree with. But then as you get older and you're just like, hey, I just don't think that many people really are paying that much attention. Um, but it's exhausting, right, like when you're trying to like figure out. Can I say this? Can I cuss here? Uh, can I be open here? Can I try to be sarcastic and funny? No, okay, I won't. Like you're spending like all this mental energy trying to figure it out. So I was curious to get your thoughts just um, you know, as you, with your experience and um, tapping into like, like being who you are, more like consistently yeah, I think we realize that nobody cares as much as you do and it's funny because I even see it with my kids and social media.
Speaker 2:I'm like you're freaking out over things that really no one's thought about. It's like a blip in the radar. Nobody cares. Throughout this journey, I feel like I've become more and more authentic and it's not easy by any means, but to your point, it takes so much less energy and stress in your gut and your heart if what you're doing is aligned with who you are and what you truly want. That's the beauty of it, because you get so worked up when it's something that doesn't align with you right, like the jobs you were in or if you had a bad boss, it was like every day it was like you were tortured. If you had a bad boss, every day it was like you were tortured. But when you're sharing and doing things that are the real you, it's light and easy and feels good.
Speaker 1:No, I agree, I've talked about it in some of the posts. Once I started to create, it just became so much easier to create. When I first started, I thought I'd run out of ideas. Well, I have some things to talk about, but then I'm going to exhaust those and then gosh, I hope something else comes to mind. Right, and it's been exactly the opposite. Like the more I've created, the more I can create, because it's like ideas produce more ideas, or a post has comments and then a comment is a totally separate idea and you're like that's another's another idea, right, and so it's this thing. And it really speaks to what you were saying is when you start aligning and doing what you kind of feel like you should be doing, or it feels closer to you, it's, it's so much easier, uh, you, just, the friction is gone, um, it goes from a place of force and have to to want to, um, and it's, it's just, it's completely different, like it's really. I wish everyone could experience it, even for like a week.
Speaker 2:Um yeah, because it's that. I think that's why I love sound. I think that's why I love sound healing so much, because it's not. There's no set playlist yeah like you just do whatever feels good or sounds good or comes to you, so I love that the ideas just keep coming, because that means you're on the right path.
Speaker 1:Well, hopefully, so I don't have to interview for another job, which I may have to do I shouldn't probably talk too negatively about it but just the ones that I had. Like you said, they just didn't fit and part of that was my fault because I didn't do enough like research in my into myself and my strengths and interests and so I just kind of kept forcing things to to work and they didn't. So if I, if I do have to do it, it'll become, it'll be from such a different place, Um, and I can find something better. But um, but I do. I do get a little horrified when I see the posts about interviewing and recruiter ghosting and stuff. I'm like, oh my God, Hopefully not again. No, no. So any final thoughts? This has been a great conversation. I can't believe it's been an hour. We could easily go much longer, but any final thoughts? And then, how can people find you if they want to work with you and all your channels and availability.
Speaker 2:This has been great and I think we need more Real you podcast content, all the things to kind of elevate authenticity, because I think it's an underrated way. So I appreciate you having me on. This has been so enjoyable. People could reach me at alisonjacksonfitnesscom. You can find me on. This has been so enjoyable. People could reach me at alisonjacksonfitnesscom. You can find me on LinkedIn. You can find me connected to you, commenting and liking on your stuff. But yeah, it's been. This has been great.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Well, I appreciate the kind words. Thanks so much for your time and insight and we'll we'll do it again sometime.