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EP 28: Embracing Awareness: Daniela Sulek on Letting Go and Embracing What's Happening
After a career in finance, Daniela Sulek found herself at a crossroads, grappling with burnout during her third pregnancy. This pivotal experience led her to a transformative path of coaching and self-discovery.
On today's episode of the Real You Podcast, Daniela and I share a laugh about our shared journey from the logical world of financial planning to the more intuitive realm of coaching.
Her story is a powerful reminder of how life-altering events can guide us toward embracing acceptance and peace.
We explore the profound shift from living in fear and control to embracing the present moment. Daniela's insights shed light on the healing potential of releasing past attachments and future expectations, allowing us to find peace and personal growth.
We discuss how living in a neutral state can free us from emotional turmoil tied to unmet expectations. Daniela’s journey is a testament to the power of awareness and acceptance in overcoming life's challenges and finding fulfillment.
Join us as Daniela delves into the art of living with awareness rather than merely accumulating knowledge. She challenges the notion that constant information consumption equates to progress, instead advocating for facing fears and finding growth in the unknown.
Daniela emphasizes that true wisdom arises from embracing the present and listening to life's lessons.
Daniela's LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielasulek/
Daniela's Website:
https://danielasulek.com/
David's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-young-mba-indy/
David's Website: https://davidjyoung.me/
Welcome to the Real you Podcast. This is episode number 28. I'm David Young, your host. I'm a LinkedIn content and business coach. I help coaches and solopreneurs grow their businesses through better storytelling and content creation. I launched this podcast in March of 2024 to spotlight interesting people doing amazing things, and today I'm joined by Daniela Sulek. Daniela helps leaders and visionaries move into a permanent state of peace. She will share with us how one can liberate themselves from the mind and make a massive impact while fully enjoying each moment of life. Daniela, thanks for taking time out of your schedule to join me today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2:My pleasure, Davey. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. So I was looking through we'll get into your coaching and the mindset. So I was looking through your profile earlier and I I saw that you did financial planning and analysis and I did too. I couldn't help but laugh because I feel like there's so many reformed like accounting and finance people that have moved into coaching and I just I chuckled them and you did it for quite a while and so did I, so I thought that was really I thought that was really interesting yeah, and I did the same when I went to your profile and I saw financial planning.
Speaker 2:Really, that is the only thing I did.
Speaker 1:My background is in finance from the University of Toronto, and that's what I did until I quit Well, so I started in sales, then I went to customer service and then when I left customer service, then I moved to finance and I did finance for about Well. I went to another company and did it too. So I guess I did it for about 10 years total. So that last job the funny part is that it does say financial planning analysis. It was a cost center accounting job, but I didn't know that. So I went through the whole interview process. I interviewed with HR, with the manager, twice. I even sat down because it was an internal promotion. So I sat down with the woman because I was going to be taking her place, but she was still going to be around, so she was going to train me. I had a 30-minute one-on-one with her. I thought I asked good questions to know what I was getting into. I said yes, got the offer. It was great. It was a pretty big promotion for me at the time.
Speaker 1:And so the two weeks went by official start date I go, sit down. A woman starts training me the very first thing she does like within 30 seconds she opens up her computer and she opens up a journal entry like software. And I was like, well, that's odd, what's that have to do with financial planning? And I go what are you doing? And she was like we're going to do 20 to 25 month-end closed journal entries. I was like I'm going to do what? How come nobody mentioned this? I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:And I remember walking down later that day and said to my new boss I was like I think you hired the wrong. This is not. I didn't sign up for this. What are we doing? I don't want to do this. And he was like you didn't realize. It was like month-end close and accounting. I was like no, you guys called it financial planning and announced I thought I was going to do like you know, forecasting and like planning. He was like you're going to do that too. I was like I know, but I don't want to do any journal entries. And it was 18.
Speaker 2:It was 18 months of pure torture oh yeah, so I did the same also. I didn't do a journal and just I prepared them and send them to accounting, but yeah, most of the time was financial planning and budgeting and analysis yeah, I had eight bosses because I had eight cost centers, so it was like having eight different managers because they all wanted it done a different way.
Speaker 1:All it was was scheduling and rescheduling meetings because their schedules were always just changing, and so it was I work, I hate working in the gray and I hate when things change, so it just drove me absolutely crazy. It was such a. So it was I work, I hate working in the gray and I hate when things change, so it just drove me absolutely crazy it was such a terrible.
Speaker 2:It was a terrible fit for me led you to where you are today, you know, and because you were frustrated, because you hated it. Now you are doing what you love, and but everything is perfect. Everything is always the way it is it's supposed to be there you go, yeah, because that's a big.
Speaker 1:So that's perfect segue. That's a big part of what you talk about and I am trying to get on board and have been for several years. It is a challenge, which I think it is for most people is that acceptance of reality. There's no good or bad, there just is, and it's a great place to be when you're there. Hard to stay there, at least for me. So how did you find it? Is it something you've already always been interested in? Did you stumble upon it? What? What was kind of the spark?
Speaker 2:no, it found me. It found me. You know, I, I had no idea about this stuff. I was, yeah, really hardcore, very analytical, logical, I see it, I believe it person planning and racing thoughts and controlling and high achiever. But then when I was pregnant with my eighth, third child, my body just really burned out badly so I almost died. So I started to changing myself and working on myself so that for 10 years I spent again controlling and healing and doing all sorts of self-improvement things and then, as I say, like everything happens for a reason, things starting happening to me, things starting happening to I call it, I sign up for you, can you control nothing?
Speaker 2:Masterclass, which means that I literally had involuntary, uncontrollable events, so kundalini, out-of-body experience, mind-wrapping, I mean, like black hole spirits talking to me, so many, so much stuff, and it really got me to the real point of frustration because I couldn't control it. You cannot control spirits talking to you, you cannot control your out body, seeing yourself, uh, and I, it was probably it. Uh, it lasted about three years and I had to manage my business. I had to manage, you know, kids and and the running household and everything. So it was pretty and there were other things that really, really, I was like okay, that's so. I knew what I needed to do. I knew I had to not really just like, not care and stop controlling. So I shifted into being aware Every single moment I was at a point is I either get crazy, like completely I go crazy, be homeless, I die, I don't care, or I'll know the truth. That's it.
Speaker 2:Like I'm a very person, I'm a person of extreme, like this or that. There was no. I was at the point where that's it Like. It was, like I don't want to live like this and I don't want to. That's it. This is not happening anymore. I don't want to live like this and I don't want to. That's it. This is not happening anymore.
Speaker 2:So a huge fear, a lot of fear, a lot of fear, because when you let go, when you just really are in the state of witnessing what's happening a lot of fear and you are you need to be aware of the fear and everything what is coming up. And you need to be aware of the fear and everything what is coming up. But over time, my thoughts got quiet and my mind got quiet. The emotions were removed, the supernatural experiences stopped happening, my business accelerated, my personal life turned into harmonious relationships and I started perceiving life differently. So, instead of living in a time-space reality in terms of past and future and space, I don't have a thought of past. I have some memories.
Speaker 2:I know that it happened, but it's not like I am not attached to it. It's not like this person lived it, it's like someone else's life. So there is no emotional attachment. That's, by the way, how you heal any trauma, depression, anything, because everything, what we experience, our whole identity, lives on the level of the mind. So the mind projects past and future and there is everything you know about yourself, your memories, your experience, your beliefs, your thoughts, everything you live through everything and the mind and that's every second of the time, every split second of the day that's being reinforced. When the mind falls away, there is nothing, there is just present moment.
Speaker 2:So I I cannot live in the past and I am not able to plan logistically yet. I can put something in my calendar and I know that it may happen, but there is no attachment to it. So there is no worry about the future, there are no challenges, nothing. It's full acceptance of whatever is is because I perceive now life only through the present moment, only, really only. Everything else is an illusion, it's a perception of the mind.
Speaker 2:So, so, accepting what is, you cannot accept and this is what my message and this is what I teach you cannot accept when you are in the mind, in the mind, consciousness. There needs to be shift into the awareness and being aware, because mind cannot accept. Because when you accept, you are in the present moment. And when you are in the present moment, there is no comparison to anything, there is no comparison to past and no comparison to future. When you live without expectation and without comparison, nothing is wrong. Think about it. Think about it.
Speaker 2:If you do not compare your now to anything else, nothing is ever wrong. You can have a fever, you can have a cancer, but if you don't compare it to I want to be healthy, then you're fine. And that resistance free state, that state creates literally miracles, like I had clients who heal themselves from the cancer, from anxiety, from severe depression, from panic attacks, like you name it, things that are disease that people say or doctors say they are untreatable, like it's really. Everything exists on the level of the mind and that the mind that's why we call it creates human suffering. So when you, when you shift into the awareness, then there is no suffering, there's just living. Every single moment.
Speaker 1:You're just living that's amazing how long you think it or how long in your experience do you think it took you from those first when you started getting like the voices or the spirits and you started having the out of body, like when that stuff started happening. How long did it take you to kind of understand that and then kind of find the state of awareness?
Speaker 2:I understood it very quickly. I got it very quickly. The person who was so used to controlling everything was like no, I know, but I'm not doing it. You know what I mean? I do it like my way. I can do it my way, until I was literally like crashed to the floor. No, you cannot do it. Like I lost sleep for six months. I slept probably one hour a day. I was begging for sleep and I knew like literally the life took every single thing, what I could attach to myself like I control this. No, you don't control like everything.
Speaker 2:So how long? I would say two years, two years probably, or a year, two years, but when you really are consistent and persistent. Now, when I work with clients, they see huge results within a week, within a month, within two months. They don't need to go three or four years because, as I said for me, it was no one could. I didn't have a teacher because, as I said for me, I didn't have a teacher. I was like a trial and error and I was really holding on to the false sense of safety of my identity and everything. What.
Speaker 1:I learned about this world. Well, it's great that you're able to expedite that for clients so that they don't have to wait for so long. There's a book called it Takes what it Takes. It's written by a guy named Trevor I can't think of his last name it's loosely around sports. But then there's more insight because he did a lot of. He was like a mental coach and he worked with a lot of sports teams.
Speaker 1:But one of the things I remember from that book, which is similar to what you described about the comparison he called it like living in a neutral state where typically, if you take just any instance, any experience, typically your level of we'll call it happiness or frustration or anger is always in comparison to your expectation. So let's say you go to dinner and you're expecting to have this immaculate meal and it's going to be perfect, but then it's terrible. The service is terrible, it's really crowded, the food's cold, right. You're apt to be more angry and upset because your expectation was for it to be so great. And then, vice versa, right, if you had no expectations, you're like I don't know, it's probably not going to be great, and then it is great.
Speaker 1:Then your level of happiness goes up. She's like well, I wasn't expecting anything, but it's so good, right? So his idea is again some of the way you're talking about, where it's all in your head anyway, like your, your expectation is you're projecting, you're projecting whatever good or bad. And so if you stay in this more neutral state which is, I mean, it's cliched, but it is what it is. I don't even like that saying, but that's, that's it right, like whatever's happening is happening in the moment, and then you accept that it's very hard to get like upset you don't get upset like right, because you're just like no matter, right, right you're just happening and really the the, then the highest thing or the deepest thing really is the acceptance of death.
Speaker 2:When you accept that you, you're free. When you transcend that nothing, nothing, okay, nothing, well, nothing holds you. And you know, when I talk to people, sometimes I compare it to, and it's really that's why I say, like everything exists on the level of mine, because you know about this world so much, and so you compare yourself and the identity, your identity, because you have certain identity, identity and those are your anchors, like, so I'm a woman, I'm a white, I have certain background, I am a coach. So now I go, you know, I, I live in this world, and look at the world and compare it. There is a black woman or there is a black man and I have some experiences or memories or something, and immediately I judge, or something. That's how we live in this world. We compare. But what I? When, when, when this disappears, when the mind stops reinforcing the identity, there is no identity. So when, when someone judges me, I'm good, when someone doesn't like what I say, I'm good, like there is no, there is no, there is nothing.
Speaker 2:It's like that, that's okay, and it's like imagine, you know, but kids have it, kids have it. Kids have it and we are born with it. Kids don't judge, kids love and they are not afraid. Kids are not afraid of disabled people, they are not afraid of homeless persons. They're just like wondering, like curious, it's like this, but it's the parents conditioning like, oh my gosh, this is bad. And then they condition bed and then recondition. So it's really like seeing the world through the, the innocence of the kids, and just wondering. But and there is no comparison, that's, that's the highest level of freedom, because then you're free, no matter what is happening in your personal life or on a global level. Yeah, you accept it.
Speaker 1:I know you've said we've talked about it in messaging through your content that about 1% you say it in your profile too about 1% of people ever like achieve that state where they're kind of in that state all the time. What do you think? That's a pretty low number. Do you think it's possible if there were more awareness around it, more people could get there, or is it truly limited to 1%?
Speaker 2:related to the living in the present. The low number is when you transcend the mind. You see the reality for what it is, not for the image you you created. So and I compare it to a dream when you dream, there are people there, things are happening, you have emotions, you have thoughts, but you don't know. You're dreaming. That's why when something scary is happening or you're late to with a project deadline or something, you feel emotions right. So you don't know that you are dreaming and you are there as a character in your dream. You are not just watching the dream as a movie, you're just right there.
Speaker 2:That's a perception of life for 99% of our population. So the 1% that is about that. When you wake up in the morning, no matter what you dreamt, no matter what the thing was, no matter how fearful it was or joyful, no matter what you needed to do, where will you go to fix it? You wake up and you realize there is nothing to do. Where will you go to fix it? You wake up and you realize there is nothing to fix. So that is a perception of the world and reality and you yourself, when the mind transcends. So to answer your question in terms, is it possible to increase the number? No and yes, both are correct, because it's only my dream. It's my dream and I don't need to. For me, increasing that number would be living, me living and perceiving the reality as fixed, and that there are people. But I, I know that this is dream and I know that I don't need to change anyone. So it's like I'm living a lucid dream. I know I'm dreaming, so changing the the dream, it's impossible, it's a madness.
Speaker 2:So what I do? I just live, I just say what I say and the dream changes by itself. So this is when I work with healers or spiritual coaches who want to change the world, but even people who want to just change the world. I tell them one thing your self-awareness is the biggest gift you can give to the others and to the world, because the world doesn't need to change. Your perception needs to change. So when clients work with me, they are like there is nothing to change. I'm like, yeah, that's a madness. How can you change a dream? You wake up and this process will. This will happen for every one of us when we die. So what I do? I shift it for those who are ready and who come to me to live it and not to realize it when they die. So you dream your dream, I dream my dream, and the reality is completely different.
Speaker 1:At what point did you, as you were going through the journey then, at what point did you start thinking about teaching and coaching others?
Speaker 2:So when I mentioned, I had the burnout and everything and I had anxiety. So I helped me so for a number of years. Then I started coaching. I quit my corporate finance job and I started coaching and I I knew without studying, I just knew what needed needed to be done. So I I helped. I helped women and men who who had for 15, were on like four or five prescriptions and had severe depression and anxiety and panic attacks to the point where they couldn't leave the house. I had someone who for three years she had paranoia, couldn't leave the house. Within two months all the symptoms disappeared. They were all these prescriptions and they're all happy and healthy now and they don't have any symptoms.
Speaker 2:So amazing I was doing that and then those supernatural events were happening and as they were happening, the consciousness, like it, shifted. I did the work, but it also naturally was shifting and I was naturally led to a different message, which is this message, and I don't know what the message will be in five years, maybe I will be in Himalayan mountains just as a Buddha, but now I'm doing this. As I said, we don't have to force just whoever resonates, and that's how I show up on LinkedIn. I know I cannot force, not that I cannot force. I am not able to force anything because it's out of my system. It's just saying my message and those who resonate will come.
Speaker 1:Honestly, that's a great way to go about it For all of us trying to run, you know, our businesses online and we get tied into revenue and signing clients and make money and keeping it sustainable. And I really resonated. You had a post I think it was this week. It might could have been last week, but I think it was this week. You were talking about playing a dice game with your son and rolling the dice and he was getting really upset because he was trying so hard and you, you you were not because you had released the outcome and then you were, you were getting whatever, whatever game it was, you were getting it and he was getting like madder, he's getting madder and madder and I just, hey, I've done, I've done that his way so many times where, like when I was younger, I'd get so upset because I was trying so hard, whether it was playing golf or a board game or something, and it's complete reverse.
Speaker 1:Psychology is that it's like the harder you try and the more you want it. Even though that sounds like the best way to go, it typically isn't, because you just end up getting in your own way, but then when you go the other way, which is you release the result and the outcome and you're just like I'm just doing, I'm just going to do it. Then it seems to come much easier. It's really. It's an interesting and you see, it same thing with, like people will talk about dating, like you're trying really hard to find someone and then you just give up and then you're like I'm just going to work on myself and I'm not meant to completely stop trying to find someone. And then, like shortly thereafter, somebody shows up in your life, like that's kind of the same principle, right, you're trying to force it, not happening. You're like, whatever, I don't even want to date anyone. And then, boom, there it is.
Speaker 2:So it's a similar. It is and it's really. It stems from the. There is a one thing, there's only one thing, there is only one purpose for a person to have this physical experience, and it's to realize the self, realize the illusion, realize that you control nothing, so you don't need to realize it. But when you apply it to this, right that? Okay, so I don't control this game, I don't control this game, so I may as have fun, right? So if I don't control anything, I'll just have fun and whatever, whatever comes, that comes and that that's the approach.
Speaker 2:When you see that you control nothing and that's what I was teaching myself, like you, because the moment you force something, the moment you want something, you are deep in the dream, believing that you can something. The moment you want something, you are deep in the dream, believing that you can change anything. The only way you can change the dream is realize that it's a dream. So I didn't explain it on this level to my son, but that's what it is and that's why it works. That's why it's like. It's not reverse psychology, it's just like not pushing against the illusion. It's a madman, right? Yeah? No, I mean, it's not reverse psychology, it's just like not pushing against the illusion. It's a madman right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean it is, I mean it makes sense.
Speaker 1:But I think it's hard, and especially when you're talking, I mean, obviously a board game has less stakes, it doesn't really matter if you win or lose.
Speaker 1:But if you're trying to run a business, trying to make money, trying to pay your bills, right, I think it gets hard to balance what you're kind of talking about, because it's really an energy. Right, it's like a push-pull energy where you're trying to push someone to sign with you or to do your program, versus just attract. They're just attracted to it and they just are pulled into your ecosystem or whatever, and so I think it's energy. So I think it's, how would you coach someone on, or or what advice, I guess, would you give people listening who are struggling because you, because it's obviously you hear that a lot like the feast or famine, like you sign a bunch of clients for a couple months and then you go a few months where you don't. So it's this roller coaster of of revenue. Um, how do you balance the quote-unquote like needing, needing to sign clients to make money versus against just letting go and whatever it is?
Speaker 2:So I go back to the transcending the fear and transcending the debt, because everything what you said about signing up clients, you have to pay the bill. And now you, underneath all that, underneath every negative emotion, whether it's jealousy, anger I have a fear that the client won't come, I won't be able to pay bills Underneath every negative emotion is fear of death. So, when you transcend fear of death, you're free, because when you are okay, when you don't fear death, you don't fear anything, right. So that's and that can happen only when the mind transcends, when the mind becomes fully quiet. If you're not there yet, it's really about you know.
Speaker 2:I would say one thing you may have noticed in my post, which I write very often, is that every moment of your life is happening as it needs to be happening for the evolution of your consciousness. Not the one moment of your life is wrong. I think I don't care what you're going through. It's needed. You just don't know and you fight it and you resist it.
Speaker 2:So, instead of treating your clients or potential clients as, oh, I need to sign them up, you are just aware of the moment and your conditioning and of yourself, what this moment is about. And if the client says no, then you are aware of whatever is going in you in terms of your fears and I don't know, and I have this bill, I have a mortgage coming up, whatever it is right. And when you do that, then you don't need to recreate situations that point you to those deepest fears of yours, because you go through it and that's how you change your life, and then the yes will come from a client, but it really comes down to the illusion and not fearing anything. So the transcendence of the mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting how it's all rooted in the fear, which I mean on the surface level makes sense, because if you're worried about selling or rejection, it's a fear of no, but it's really much deeper than just hearing the no. That's like what we tell ourselves, right? But there's so much more going on there. When I had my recent guest, nicole Green, we were really talking about the nine to five existence versus the entrepreneurship existence, and we both have done it both ways, and one of the things that nine to five does a really good job of selling is the safety and security right the every other week paycheck, the monthly paycheck benefits, 401k, all that. And it's true and I'm not knocking it it's great for a lot of people and will be for a while. But it's an illusion of safety because that can go away at any day, Like they can lay you off at any time. It's free will and so it's interesting how that has been solved as security, but it really isn't it's a false sense of safety because you can.
Speaker 2:I have a friend who was let go now after probably 12 years of working for a company, and it was. It's now before christmas like it can happen like this. But the whole life you design your whole life for the full sense of safety. So, for example, coming to relationships, dating, or the rejection no, even rejection even receiving rejection goes to then being rejected means I will end up alone. Because, let's imagine, everyone rejects you because no one likes your message. Everyone message, everyone rejects you. Then I will end up alone. What happens when you end up alone? You cannot survive. It's a fear of death. So that simple no rejection from a client, everything points to the death and that's why that needs to be transcended.
Speaker 2:Sense of identity that you're here as a person who thinks independently, who has emotions that are yours, and you have control about your life and what is happening. That's an illusion. You control nothing. You don't control your thoughts, you don't control your emotions, you don't control your life. Life is happening and you are part of it, just like the dream.
Speaker 2:Who is the dreamer? You, the one, the character of the dream? No, that's not. There is a dreamer who dreams a dream and you need to point to the dreamer, so the character, who you are in the dream wakes up. Then you see the madness and the reality and you're like wow.
Speaker 2:And then you just don't participate. You live your life but you don't push. You accept everything. It's a full acceptance of life that you're aware you need to be and you take every moment of your life, whether you are sick, whether your kids are sick, uh, whether a client says no, you know that that's the moment you need to experience and you don't question it because you have the wisdom that, yeah, like I know, I perceive when my clients come to me and they tell me three sentences about what's wrong with them, what's going on, what would they, what they need to change or want to change. I know exactly all the relationships in their families, with their friends, and I know exactly why that is happening, why they have the experience. So it's like lifting the whale and shining a light like a wow.
Speaker 1:It's a different quality of light, it's a peak yeah it's really being at peace yeah, the the kind of present state of peace, what so you mentioned you had older kids. What's their take? Are they old enough to comprehend and get this and kind of participate in it, or still like too woo woo for them?
Speaker 2:oh, it's a little my kid. Uh, I've been my biggest gurus. I'm not kidding my, my son was probably seven or so when he told me. When we were in bed, you know, he was falling asleep and I was like, mommy, you know what, I don't know, but like every night when I asleep, it's like I'm going through this portal, like it's like my consciousness go through the portal, and then I just come back here and I open my eyes and I'm like huh, really, he was five when he told me, when he asked me at the dinner like mom, what if this is all just a dream? And I'm like, what do you mean? Well, I think it's a dream. I think we will wake up one day and we will realize it's a dream.
Speaker 2:Like, kids have the wisdom and because I don't need to coach them, I just live with them and they hear my message and how I live. But, most importantly, I don't condition them. I don't condition them to be the conditioned humans they think like I think, or they think closer to like I think than to other people. So, yeah, so they are. They kid is old enough to understand on their level. But so maybe I talk a different way to you know, a young kid, or to my son, but he understands.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fascinating. Now I'm going back and thinking about all the things we've programmed our kids.
Speaker 2:This is David. I started coaching a client and, like first session, they're like can I undo this? What I did to my kid? And I don't worry because what I say, like it's your dream, remember, it's your dream. Of course, I had a client who spent just one day with me. It was an intensive day.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, after everything, what we did, you know, and I told her and we did the awareness she shifted a lot. Like immediately after, like, oh my gosh, daniela, I'm aware. I'm like, yes, this is it, continue doing it. But at the end of the day, she, she asked me are you saying that my son's adhd is because I am not aware? And I was like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. And she's like, okay, she got it, she went, I think five days after the intensive. She's like, wow, daniela, he is much calmer. And now it's a year from that day and I checked, I think two weeks ago. I'm like, how is your son doing? I said, daniela, I told him to be aware, I practice awareness, I am aware and nothing. He has no medications, no time trumps, no frustration. He is just she, literally just Daniela. We are just living.
Speaker 1:Amazing.
Speaker 2:So don't worry, don't think about the conditioning. Remember, past is an illusion, david. So if you go back, what did I do? You're relevant. It's about what are you doing now. Are you being aware? Now, don't go into the past. That's a mind trap. That's the mind trap.
Speaker 1:I'm aware right now because I'm talking to you, I don't know what it'll be like in 20 minutes. That's really fascinating. Now I know you had mentioned in one of your also one of your recent posts about reading self-help books or personal growth books, and I did that. I sucked those up for a while because I was so miserable in my work existence and being in the cubicle and I was fighting against it so much that you know I listened to podcasts, but most of it is I read books because I thought that that would help me like kind of get free, and I mean they did help somewhat new knowledge or different ways to do things or whatever.
Speaker 1:But at some point they're diminishing returns because they're kind of just saying the same thing and if you're not really putting it into practice, how much are you really improving or gaining? So I read somewhere in the 70 to 80 range. I would have been probably better off picking like 7 or ten of those and like fully implementing some of the teachings that would have. That would have been more effective. But I learned later. It was a kind of procrastination through learning because it felt like I was making progress. I listened, I did a lot of audible, so I was listening to a lot of the books at my desk. It was getting me through the day. I felt productive but I wasn't really taking action. So then I didn't.
Speaker 2:My situation didn't really improve yeah, and see, and I'm not invalidating your experience, because I'm not invalidating my experience, so I'm not invalidating anyone experience who is reading a book. Because, yeah, I, I heard about like 50 plus self-improvement books a year and um, but when, when my mind shifted, I realized that it's a part of the illusion, like mind needs knowledge, and it's a rabbit hole of knowledge, and it's knowledge and knowledge, but that knowledge is very limited. When and I and I mentioned, I mentioned in the post that in the past two years, I haven't read any books, and you probably can make me to read books Because it's like I don't care what's in there, it doesn't matter, because I know stuff. Like I know Mind needs knowledge. When you're in the, I have it, mind needs knowledge, the awareness. When you are in the state of awareness, it's like wisdom. You know you cannot explain things, but you know.
Speaker 2:And because now you are not that living in the illusion or in the perception that you control something, you know that every moment is happening for you and each moment and it may be that someone says something or you will come across a certain information Like you just get things Like oh my gosh, I'm not kidding you, I need to know something. I need to know something, I need to know something. And I'm like, okay, I should check this out, I should google it, but I'm probably I don't know. Let's say I'm um making dinner, I'm like later, and I just stop it. I'm like, yeah, and then my daughter comes and holds the phone and like mommy, look what I found. And she I'm like, okay, got it.
Speaker 2:Like that, because now it's like it's the reality, it's molding to who you are, it's reflecting who you are and you are not that limited human. You are not that limited human who thinks and believes that the world is fixed and you need to control it. This is not an intellectual level. Like this is really. You need to live it, you need to be.
Speaker 2:It's not oh, daniela said so this will happen to me, no, and you go really the path to that is through being aware and releasing and going through your deepest, deepest survival fears. So the path I went through it was the hardest thing one can imagine Like probably death is you know, but that like really it was. It was hard because all your deepest fears come to the surface and you need to just watch it. Watch it and the reality will give it to you. So that's probably. That probably answers your questions of question of why only one percent? Because people want the comfort. Even if it's a false sense of comfort and false sense of safety, it's very addictive, addictive yeah, that's what we've been, that's what we've been societally programmed for.
Speaker 1:What? How would people, what would be if they just wanted to, like, learn more, just about awareness and overcoming deep-seated fears? Like where would you guide them? Like where would they get more information? Is it books? Is it documentaries?
Speaker 2:I would like. No, I would, I would. I would tell them, follow my posts. A lot, a lot of people not necessarily everyone ends up to be my clients and people tell me, daniella, huge help just reading it, like something clicked, something clicked. So that will be probably the first one and I would then say practice being aware, practice awareness.
Speaker 2:You don't need any books. If you need, if you need a book, it will come across, it will come to you. If you need someone, it will come to you. But really, the dependence and the need to know is the false sense of safety because you need, because you need to be okay, living in the unknown, that being in the present, living in the present is living in the unknown. I don't know what happens tomorrow, I don't know what happens in two weeks. I don't plan, I don't plan nothing.
Speaker 2:So it's really about what you said. It's not about reading the books, it's not about listening to podcasts. Reading the books or doing courses are great for systems and processes and, to your point, you read something, you learn, you implement it. Oh, this is how I should structure my post on LinkedIn, for example Great stuff. This is how I should structure my post on linkedin, for example, great stuff when it comes to self improvement, mindset and everything. The more you heal, the more you shift beliefs, the more you, the more you are in the rabbit hole of the mind. You need to be, you need to be aware, and your life will show you where your fears are, where your, your limitations are, and you just keep being aware of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fascinating stuff. I feel like we could just keep talking about this. There's like so many layers we could just continue to peel back, but I feel like we've covered a lot. Awareness, obviously, is the key Overcoming those deep-seated fears and just letting go, which is not easy to do. What tell people obviously following you on LinkedIn with your content, which is very intellectual and thought-provoking, very unique on the platform? I don't see hardly any posts like it. How do they find you there? And then I know you have a website. Talk about that and then any kind of final thoughts or parting wisdom that you want someone to think about and take with them.
Speaker 2:Be silent and observe. Any thought you have is a lie. Any word you say is a lie. Any word I say is a limitation, because the truth cannot be learned. The truth is really. You need to experience it. It's a perception and that perception only comes really in the now and from the awareness. So be silent, spend time alone and just be observing and being aware and see where the life takes you, because you're always where you need to be, every single moment love it.
Speaker 1:And what's the website? Where can they find you?
Speaker 2:danielasulakcom. So. So it's my name.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then I'll put that in the show notes. I'll have links to your LinkedIn profile and to the website. Daniel, thank you so much for coming on sharing your wisdom and insight. This is truly, truly fascinating. I've not had a discussion like this on the show yet, like this is really next level stuff and I'm fascinated by it. I think it's just a tremendous opportunity for people to improve their just state of being and being happier and just getting more enjoyment out of life and not just not fighting it so much.
Speaker 2:That's why we are here, so thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1:Great Thanks, thanks, daniel.