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EP 38: Finding Your Path After a Life-Altering Event: How Jennifer Chapman Transformed Crisis into Coaching
🎙️ Podcast Episode Highlights with Jennifer Chapman
- Turning Crisis into Purpose: After a life-threatening stroke at 34, Jennifer transformed her recovery into a calling, leaving corporate sales to become a resilience and mindset coach.
- The Power of Small Commitments: Inspired by her Pilates journey, “Just Commit” became both her brand and philosophy—helping clients focus on one small, intentional step at a time.
- Victim vs. Warrior Mentality: Jennifer challenges clients to shift from blame to ownership, transforming obstacles into growth by choosing how they respond.
- Healing Through Coaching: Her own experience as a coaching client during recovery sparked a new career path, proving that profound healing often leads to powerful impact.
Jennifer's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferchapmanleadershipcoach/
Jennifer's Website: https://justcommitcoaching.com/
David's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-young-mba-indy/
David's Website: https://davidjyoung.me/
Welcome to the Real you Podcast. This is episode number 38. I'm David Young, your host. I'm a LinkedIn content and business coach and I work with coaches with less than 3,000 followers to sign more clients on LinkedIn, using content more strategically. I launched this podcast almost a year ago, in March of 2024, to spotlight interesting people doing amazing things, and today I'm joined by Jennifer Chapman. She has a 16-year background in sales and brings a unique blend of strategic insight, resilience and empathy to her work as an executive coach, speaker and facilitator. We'll talk about how she helps high-achieving professionals unlock their potential by getting them through self-awareness, resilience building and purpose-driven action. She also is local to where I am. We're both in Indianapolis and we don't live too far apart, so this will be a new one. I don't think I've had anybody local on the show. So, jennifer, thanks for taking time out of your schedule and joining me today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks so much for having me, looking forward to the conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, we're both in Indy. I've been here, I think 17 years. You've been here quite a while too. And yeah, I don't connect with too many local people on LinkedIn, so it's always nice when I see Indianapolis or greater Indianapolis than somebody's location, if it's accurate, because that's new. I don't know about you, but I don't see a lot of Indy people.
Speaker 2:Because I'm born and raised, I feel like I'm pretty well connected in Indianapolis, and though it was cool when you and I did connect on LinkedIn a few months ago, I don't think I knew right away that you were living in Indy and then when we had a conversation, it was cool to be able to meet you in person, versus just another Zoom.
Speaker 1:Yeah it was great. Yeah, we met up at one of the local coffee shops a few weeks ago. So, yeah, it's nice. It's a lonely journey, this solopreneur journey which we talked about when we met and it's always nice when you meet people that are kind of on a similar path, because obviously we do a lot of work alone and I think most of us work kind of out of our houses or homes or whatever. If you don't have someone to kind of talk through things, then it becomes you kind of live in this, your own echo chamber, which is not always a great place to be.
Speaker 2:No, it's not. I can attest to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wrote my post today about just sometimes when things start to feel like they're going sideways and you just start questioning like everything you're doing and you're like I should change everything. I need a new website, I need a new coach, I need new colors, I have to change all my posting, everything's wrong. And usually that's not the case. So you can get to a point in your head where you're like I'm just screwing this up every which way, so I have to make massive change.
Speaker 2:Totally been there multiple times actually. It's real, it's so real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So talk about a little bit. Obviously you're doing coaching and resilience coaching and mental coaching now, but before you got into that a few years ago, just kind of talk about your background. What did you do? What do you want to be when you grew up? That kind of stuff, yeah background.
Speaker 2:What did you do? What did you want to be when you grew up? That kind of stuff. Yeah, man, where to begin?
Speaker 2:I went into the world of sales after I graduated from Ball State and spent the first 10 years in the beer, wine and spirits industry, which was a really great industry to be in in your 20s.
Speaker 2:I got to do a lot of really cool things and cool places and experiences that a lot of people probably wouldn't get to do on the level that we all got to do it, and so that was a really great introduction into sales. And then I was recruited on LinkedIn in 2015 to go to more of a corporate level company and a whole new world of sales. Honestly, I tell people then like that was what that was. My first leap of faith was leaving this comfort zone of an industry that I knew so well to not only a new industry, just a new level of sales, going door to door and cold calling when you didn't really have to do that, selling booze. But I trusted the leadership team that I had met and had interviewed with and it was quite the process and I just felt really good about it. They had a great culture and great people and I said yes, and very thankful that I did so.
Speaker 1:Nice what I. So my vision when you talk about selling booze is just going, just going around and drinking all the time. I assume that wasn't the case, but that's what I envision.
Speaker 2:There was a, there were, you know, depending on on the situation. Um, there's, you know, enough consumed throughout that 10 years. I'll tell you that Because I sold a lot four years on premise, meaning bars and restaurants, so it was certainly a lot of. It's not like you're doing that a lot in liquor stores or grocery stores, but when you're on premise you're doing a lot of promotions and taste testing to see if they want to bring in different products and things like that. So, yeah, that was part of it.
Speaker 1:I remember watching I think it was a Costco special. It was like the woman who was like the main Costco wine buyer, which was fascinating. But they spit everything out.
Speaker 2:I had no idea. You're like oh, you're supposed to do that. I was like oh, that's weird.
Speaker 1:You just like taste it, but then you just spit it out. I never would have thought of that. I remember watching the documentary on A&E, and then they're all just spitting it out and I was like, I mean, I get it, but it kind of sucks too. You get a taste and you're like, oh, I got to get rid of it.
Speaker 2:I mean that's what you're really supposed to do.
Speaker 1:I can certainly tell you though in a lot of the bars that I sold into. That's funny. It was fun though. So, and I know we talked when we met in person. We were talking about selling, because selling for a company, which I, you and I have both done in different capacities um, how different it is when you start trying to sell yourself and like your services, your coaching or whatever it is your, whatever product or service you have, that's yours, that you created, that is your business, the psychology that goes into being rejected when it's yours versus just like your product. So, yeah, talk a little bit about kind of how you've adjusted to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I know going through my coaching certification, so I went through one in 2021 and she did a really great job of reminding us all. It's not personal. You're still just offering your program or your offer or your masterclass or, you know, a workshop. It has nothing to do with you inherently as a person. You're not tied to that and that's consistent work that you have to practice on every time you do meet with a potential client, whether it's with a team or an individual, and they don't feel like, for whatever reason, that they say no versus yes. I've gotten a lot better at not taking it personal, like okay, I'm not for them or timing wasn't right, versus being affected by it and letting it take me out because it can do that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's usually almost never about you. It's always whatever they've got going on. It could be financial, it could be timing, it could be life circumstance. I mean there's tons of factors it's rare, yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, maybe you they're not sure you can help or or whatever, um, but usually it's rarely just like I don't like you or I don't think you can help me, or whatever the the thing is. So, but it is hard to remember because when you're selling for a company like you, just don't care, you're just like I have this, I have the software, I have this liquor, I have whatever. Right, I had pharmaceuticals, I had security systems, it doesn't matter, it wasn't mine, like I didn't, I didn't create it. Um, so if you, if you told me no, like you were, telling my company no, like I was, I didn't care.
Speaker 1:I mean I cared because I wanted to make money, but like I didn't really care. But then when it's your coaching service and you say no, you're like oh, but why Like?
Speaker 2:I'm so good I can help you.
Speaker 1:You need so much help and I can help you and I know I can help you and you know I can help you, but we're still not doing business Like I don't understand. So, yeah, it's definitely you have to kind of prepare yourself. Anybody listening to this and thinking about going this route like you do, there's a very there's an emotional shift that is needed to where that starts to not you start to not think about that as much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I would add to that a book that I read, also probably around 2021 or 22, was the four agreements. And one of the agreements is take nothing personal, and it was. It's such a great read, it's an easy read and there are four foundational agreements and it's like if you can just keep those four top of mind, it really helps you stay grounded in who you are.
Speaker 1:That's a good one. I've read part of it. I haven't read the whole thing. I'm not a great book finisher. I love to start books. I'm terrible at finishing them. My ratio to finish is like 10%. I just I started reading something out of it and I'm like I'm gonna read something else and almost never come back to it. So that's one of many that fell into that camp. What so? At what point did you excuse me? At what point did you start thinking about like moving away from corporate and starting your own business and start trying to coach and help others?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Not to go too deep into it while I was in corporate sales, At some point my body told me that I had to slow all the way down and I suffered a major stroke in 2017. And so it'll be eight years next month and I'm certainly on a continued journey of healing in my own way, and the piece of that that helped me the most those first couple of years afterwards, as I went back into corporate sales about five months later after some of the physical rehab, was thinking that I was healed and well enough to go back and work at a high level like that and I. That was, mentally and emotionally the hardest part. So I, long story short, worked with a life coach in 2018 for about eight months and I truly didn't know what a life coach even was. It was just recommended by a friend and I think the difference and I'll say this now the difference between you know people probably we all need support and help in some way, shape or form. It's the want. How bad do you want it?
Speaker 2:And I knew I wanted something different, that what I was doing was not sustainable, which was feeling very emotionally unstable and trying to work at a high level. So what a gift. That coach was in my life and she still is, and I didn't know after working with her that I would go into coaching right then. I certainly left corporate right then, knowing I was no longer fulfilled. Certainly left corporate right then, knowing I was no longer fulfilled, Went into home health in 2019. And so the pandemic in 2020, that was a gift for me. Being able to look back now, when we were, you know, had to slow all the way down again, Was like can I do for other people what my coach did for me, and what does that look like? So that's where I really started to explore becoming a coach and serving others.
Speaker 1:Nice, I love that you had a coach that then kind of opened your eyes to doing that and then you kind of have taken it and are doing it for others. I love that. So, as the pandemic hit and, like you said, everything slowed down and we're spending a lot more time at home. Is that when you started thinking about like certifications and like seriously like what it would look like to actually do it?
Speaker 2:100%, yeah, and that's where I found this coach online and she offered like a free five-day masterclass, if you will, and so I went through that. There was something about her that gravitated me towards her work and it was certainly. They were things I just had never heard before. Her background is somatic psychotherapy and spiritual psychology, so I was already fascinated and intrigued, and yet I was still saying yes to knowing I wanted to be a credible coach and what are the tools I'm supposed to have to serve clients? And little did I know going through that 11 month experience in 21,. It was really the most healing and transformational work I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. And you said you're still in touch today.
Speaker 2:I mean, she's so great so she's in Santa Monica and it was the first year of the official certification program. She had done a beta run in 2020. So in 21, there was 200 of us all over the world going through this class.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, and she's done it every year. Since she's certainly, her business has skyrocketed. She's got a great podcast out there. You can follow her on Instagram. Her name's Alyssa Nobrega. I can reach out to her on Instagram and she would message me back. She's certainly helping people change their lives. Nice, it's powerful.
Speaker 1:I think post-CO COVID, I think there was a lot more acceptance for that. I think a lot more people leaned into it talking about therapy or life coaching, whereas I think before it was not necessarily shunned, but I don't think people were quite as forthcoming that like hey, I'm seeing a therapist or hey, I'm working with a life coach, whereas now, five years after, I think a lot more people are like that's totally cool, it's totally fine, agreed, and I would.
Speaker 2:I would ask you. I feel like the term that I've come to use quite often these last couple of years as we continuously learn post-pandemic life is that people and women come to me because I. People are having midlife awakenings, right when the world slowed all the way down of these last handful of years. People are leaning in and exploring like is this what I'm supposed to continue to do until I retire? Is this it? I might be good at it, I might make great money doing it, but I'm not fulfilled. Am I supposed to make a change? Can I make a change? What does that look like? That's when the fear shows up, and yet that's why people at least reach out to me and have calls. Those are the questions they're asking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a great term the midlife awakening versus the midlife crisis, because that's always the way it was framed when I was growing up. It always seemed to be guys in their 50s getting divorced and buying a sports car. That was the way it was.
Speaker 1:That's right the stereotype, but yeah, no, it's a great. I like the reframe because it isn't always necessarily a crisis. It might be like a crisis of thought, but it isn't necessarily like a life crisis. But I think you get to a certain point, especially after you've been in the workforce for a while, you have more lived experience, more life experience. And then, yeah, you get to that like midway point, whatever, uh, and you start.
Speaker 1:For me, it's like you start looking at the like I'm a lot closer to the end than I am the beginning. So you're like all right, like I've used up quite a bit of time already. I don't have a ton of time left. And then, kind of what you said like do I just want to keep? Am I just going to keep grinding out this work? That means literally nothing to me. That I'm only doing because I obviously need money to survive and pay bills and stuff. But like, at some point that's not enough. And so, yeah, I think you're right. I think a lot of people were like all right, let's, the timeout has been called for me. Let's reassess and let's figure out if there's a different path and it might not necessarily be like online business and coaching, but it could be a different career trajectory or a side project or whatever. Right, but you're starting to ask questions and you're starting to explore more.
Speaker 2:Totally and to your point. It's like you don't have to leave your current job or career this moment to go figure out what that is. It's really either giving yourself permission or meeting someone like a coach or mentor to receive that permission to be like you're right. Maybe once a week I do want to play. I haven't played the guitar since college. I want to go do that. That lit me up. I think a lot of people are like I want to have fun. But can I have fun? Can I? Can I explore a passion that I had 15, 20, 25 years ago? It's like starting there, I loved to paint or sew or dance, whatever that is. Tap into those creative juices that can can light you up, where you can still do your work and still have your family time and all that. But give yourself the permission to find something that lights you up with passion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a great point. It doesn't have to be a drastic change. It doesn't have to be a quit your job or move to Europe or sell all your possessions.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have to be, if you can, if you want to, I mean right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely All of the above, but it doesn't have to be. If you can, if you want to, I mean right, yeah, absolutely all of the above, but it doesn't have to be. But I think as we get older, right as adults you and I are big sports fans um, that the aspect of play really, you really lose it, right, like as a kid. That's kind of all you do, and then it kind of slowly fades, and then you know, kind of as you get to college and out of college and then you get a job right, then it just kind of gets like less and less and then, if you're not careful, you get to, you know, 35 to 45. And then you're not really doing anything.
Speaker 1:That would probably be considered like playing. But it's very important because there's so much benefit, like mentally and physically, to doing it. So I do think, whether it's music, painting, sports, like whatever it is for you like tapping into that, and even if it's only once a week or whatever it, just, like you said, it activates different parts of the brain and it just feels good. And so if you have work that you don't love but you're doing this on a somewhat consistent basis, then it starts to balance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at least makes maybe that a little bit more tolerable in the short term until you continue to lean in and explore further. You're wanting to make a bigger change, but certainly start small.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have a guitar in my office. My parents are both musically inclined. They both can play. My mom can play the piano and the organ. My dad can play the guitar, they can sing, and it completely skipped me, like I just didn't get like any of it. Um, and so I've had a guitar off and on for like 25 years and I've just I've never really taught myself to play it. It's very embarrassing now. Um, so when the pandemic hit, I got pretty serious about it. I signed up for one of the online guitar things and I was like going through it and after like a month, I was like this is going to take me forever. I have, this is never going to happen. So I just thought I need. I need to be able to play something that sounds familiar and they're just having you play, just like you know, these random notes that sound like nothing, and I'm like this is dumb. So I stopped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, okay. Well, at least you tried and you've got the sports gene. So I believe you tap into that quite often yeah, I just so.
Speaker 1:We got invited. We're playing on sunday mornings at 6 30 in the morning. Uh, it's a. It's a mix of old guys like me and freshmen in high school and so oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're playing for like an hour hour and a half on sunday mornings. It's been a lot of fun. My conditioning was not. I was not in shape to do that. So the first couple of weeks were like, oh my God, I'm going to die. So we played four or five weeks in a row now. So my conditioning is starting to get a little bit better. My game is still pretty rusty, but it's fun. My oldest son goes up with me and it's been a lot of fun. I don't know how long we'll keep doing it, but that's been good, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:And what a commitment and dedication at 6 30 in the morning on a sunday, that's when we start running.
Speaker 1:So we get there. We get there at like 605. Yeah, because it takes it takes me a lot longer to get loose, like when I was my son's age. I would just roll in there, throw my shoes on and be like, let let's play. Now I'm like, yeah, I need like 20 minutes. I have to do this series of calisthenics and plyometrics and running and stretching and like I can't just, I can't just start sprinting up and down the court. That's not not in the cards anymore. So I do miss those days when I there was no, none of that. But yeah, but it's again, it's fun.
Speaker 1:It's an hour, hour and a half. You know you break a sweat, your heart rate gets up. You know basketball has always been something that I've enjoyed. So again, whatever that is for you, uh, and it's not a long time. Like we don't. I mean, we do get there early, but we're usually out of there by like 8, 8, 15 and then kind of have the rest of your day, but so it doesn't take a lot, um, but yeah, it just kind of offsets the stress or whatever you have going on. So, um, you play a lot of. Is it tennis or golf, I can't remember golf golf yeah golf.
Speaker 1:So it's you're getting, it's getting ready to be. It's close to golf.
Speaker 2:Maybe another what like six weeks, eight weeks yeah, hopefully yeah that's the goal yeah, get me out there, I'll play any day today.
Speaker 1:Pretty nice. I saw a thing on Twitter today. Some guy played over 1,000 rounds last year or the year before I started doing the math. I was like three rounds a day all year. I don't even understand the math.
Speaker 2:I don't either. Did he hit the Guinness World Record for that or something Impressive? Okay?
Speaker 1:It makes me tired. My arms are tired just thinking about it, me too. Yeah, so you and your husband play pretty regularly correct?
Speaker 2:we try, we try. We're not members anywhere yet, but we like to play different courses. We like to travel and do it which is cool, around the Midwest and, um, really any. We'll go anywhere, but it's convenient to at least throw the clubs in the car and drive, you know a couple hours or spend a weekend somewhere and play.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Yeah, I played a lot. My mom's second husband was a local golf pro where I lived and so I didn't start playing right away. But I quit playing baseball and soccer, I was just playing basketball and I wanted another sport and he was around and so I was at the course kind of a lot anyway. So I started playing. I was like 13. So I played a lot up until probably 23 or 24 and then, you know, once I started working and I just kind of played less and less. Now I play maybe twice a year, but I played enough to where I can still hit like a couple decent shots around which kind of is like all right, like it's still kind of there.
Speaker 2:But then I hit a lot of bad shots and I'm like, okay, that's not that fun usually it's those one or two, though, where you're like that makes you want to go out and do that again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was pretty cool a little bit like the slot machine at the casino. Exactly, it does pay out occasionally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 1:You make good contact or you make a long putt, you're like, oh yeah, this is so fun. And then you make triple on the next hole and you're like this sucks. That's right, yeah, so getting back to the coaching. So you got into, you took the certifications. You wanted to start helping people. How did you start finding clients? Like who did you start working with? What did that look like as you were kicking it off?
Speaker 2:Great question Going through the Certification 21,. It was for simply practice. I would just reach out to my local network of, you know, friends on Facebook and family and friends, and offering small packages just to get the reps in of sessions. And then what I've done for the last three years almost three years full-time speaking is certainly a way to continue to share my story and from a lead gen standpoint, a revenue gen standpoint. So that's been one way to continue to attract just business overall, honestly, is the speaking aspect and working with it's been referral and word of mouth. So even doing some team workshops and things like that have been through folks that I know here in Indianapolis that bring me in and will pour into their people in that regard as well, which I love to do.
Speaker 1:Nice Is the speaking? Was that always part of your plan or you kind of fell into that as you started coaching?
Speaker 2:I feel like I started to fall into it. When I started coaching, I knew I wanted to share my story. I had one to share my story.
Speaker 2:I knew that I had one to share, so, really, 2020 21 that's when I did a ton of a lot of podcast guesting as a way to share and I just got I love, I love podcast guesting. Um, because every conversation is different. You know, you know some it's, they're all different. I don't know how else to say it. I'm not going to say it's drawn a lot of like legion that way, but as far as building my brand and my message and my presence has helped quite a bit. So, and then leading into in-person speaking engagements, how I want to share my story in that way, has helped too. So I'm all about being able to share in this type of on this type of platform. It's been really great.
Speaker 1:Nice. Do you have like a keynote speech that you give, or do you tweak it and tailor it based on the group, or how do you address that part?
Speaker 2:Yeah, great question. I have a signature talk, the one that I've spoken most about. It's starting to expand, but what I continuously get asked about in some way shape or form is what I call victim mentality versus warrior mentality. So how to overcome the victim mentality and embrace your inner warriors. What I've spoken on the most, because usually leaders will come up to me and say we've got somebody on our team that's adapting this victim mentality Because I'll talk about here's what it looks like and feels like and sounds like and here's where it comes from.
Speaker 2:And that's personal to me Because, as I started to build my brand in 21 and do podcast interviews, actually people would unintentionally call me a stroke victim versus stroke survivor and I wouldn't say anything right in that moment, but it was a trigger word for me Because I was like I would only be a victim if it took my life.
Speaker 1:I'm still here.
Speaker 2:And then, as I started to develop the talk, I then had to do my own self-reflection, though, and say was there a time I adapted a victim mentality? And it was like coming off president's club year in 2016,. I'm on this high and then I want to hit another one in 2017, but why did my mindset change so much? Right, I would start to blame things outside of my control, blame the buyer, blame another rep for having a bigger territory than me or more accounts to sell than me, when it's like none of that was true. They were just easy to say out loud at the time, versus look in the mirror and like own my part. So that's what I, that's what I talk about, and can bring real life examples and and bring awareness to it. And then here's some things you can try on and do today to shift your own mindset, because you have the capability to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that reframe and I think a lot of people can benefit because it is easy to blame outside circumstances and sometimes there's certainly, you know, situations and things that are not in your control that do work against you. But I think more often than not we allow that to have too much control over what happens, and then you can fall into that, the spiral or or cycle of like you know everything's just against you and you know it's all working against you and there's nothing you can do. Uh, typically that's not true. Like, there's usually always steps could be small steps, but there's nothing you can do. Typically that's not true. There's usually always steps. It could be small steps, but there's usually always something you can change or you can tweak or whatever that starts to move you forward. So I think that's great.
Speaker 1:You talked about it this week in your post. You had a video. Your company is called Just Commit. So, yeah, if you can tell that story, I think that's a great story. I appreciate that, the name of your company, yeah, so Just Comm, tell that story, I think that's a great story.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that the name of your company yeah, so Just Commit came about. I mean, I got clever with my initials JC. Obviously I knew I didn't want to just call it Jennifer Chapman Coachingcom. So about six months after my stroke I joined a Pilates studio because I knew my body wasn't going to allow me to do the boot camp intensity, high intensity workouts in that moment. So I had to find something and even though before my stroke I would have never considered yoga or Pilates as a form of workout for me personally, I leaned in through through a friend. She said why don't you come try it? Try the studio that I that I'm an instructor at. And I said, okay, and the studio is called just breathe and it's in Fishers, indiana.
Speaker 2:And uh, what I started to notice the first year or two is I would take classes a few times every week is we would be in a really difficult, like compromised position. Right, we're in this hold, we're in a difficult pose or position. And she would say just hold or just lift or just pulse. And it was so hard, but she made it sound so easy. Right, just just live. So we'll be in a plank position and have one leg, you know, up in the air and just hold for a minute and it's like that's excruciating.
Speaker 2:And so I came up with just commit, because that's what I'm asking my clients to do, is just commit to the next thing. Just commit to the next step, the next action, the next choice that you want to make. It's not going to happen all at once or overnight, but ultimately, I'm asking you to just commit to you. Are you willing to do that? And and that's I get compliments on it all the time and I believe it's a really powerful reframe of and it really you can also bring the example of you know Nike's tagline? Right, just do it. And and someone interviewed Mel Robbins in one of the many conversations she's had and she said do you know the most powerful, important word of Nike's tagline? And the guy said do she's like no, it's just because that's the courage to try, so hopefully that lands for folks too is like just do the next thing. Can you just take the next step? Bite size it.
Speaker 1:No, that's great, I love it. I don't like stretching or strength, and so I've been told I should try pilates, because then I'll combine both of them and somehow it'll magically like offset.
Speaker 1:But we'll see yeah, it's like this hurt so good kind of pain you know, they play john mellencamp while you're doing it they can, maybe, if you want to uh, it is indiana, so I probably could have a chance to make that happen, that's right. So, when you're working with clients, what does your engagement look like? Do you do a month? Do you do three months, six months, does it depend? How do you like to set it up and work with them?
Speaker 2:Yeah, great question, at least three months. So right now I have a three-month or a six-month and I do 45-minute sessions. So three weeks on, one week off. So the one week's off for integration, you know, try some things on. I mean, the work is done in between sessions.
Speaker 2:There's powerful moments during session and then it's being able to to give clients. Here here are two, three, two or three things that I want you to explore this week. And then we, you know, when we reconnect, it's what's working, what's not working. What I also find, you know, as a coach, it's accountability. Not only is it accountability to try on all things, it's also the safe space for me to hold for you during time to kind of explore what didn't work and why. What's been getting in your way of why it didn't work, because there's always something there. So being able to lean in and ask those questions for them to then tap into the answers and because that's where that's where the answers are going to be is is what's getting in your way, because what gets in your way is your way through.
Speaker 1:We typically have most of the answers inside of us. We just don't realize it.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:And that's where a coach a good coach comes in and asks enough questions, probes deep enough, gets you to think differently, try differently, whatever it is you're working on, and they push you a little bit farther than you would push yourself. And then you kind of realize like, oh, I was kind of able, I could have done this the whole time, but you're probably not going to do it like on your own or just because you watch a youtube video or whatever. So, uh, and that's where and that's the power of coaching I made the mistake early on because I would hire career coaches, because I was unhappy in my career and I kind of just wanted them to fix. I just wanted them to tell me what to do. Like, just like, I'll give you, I'll tell you whatever you want to know. I'll take all your tests, I'll, I'll fill out any surveys for your personality iq, give them to me, I'll take all of them and then just tell me, tell me what to do.
Speaker 1:That's never. That's never how it works. Um, so I think that's some of the mistake people make when they hire, no matter what type of coach they hire, it's like, oh, this person's going to like solve, solve it for me. It's like they're actually won't and it's not even there. A they're not capable of doing that. B even if they were, that wouldn't do you any good Cause. Then it's just, and so the coach is really moving you along that path to where you kind of figure it out.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with you. I mean these last gosh, almost four and a half years that I've probably had a coach in some way shape or form along my personal and business journey. For me, because I love the accountability For me, because I love the accountability it does help me explore. You know, showing up for that person and exploring like, well hey, would I have done that without you? Right To your point about still being self-motivated to do and self-accountable, I always like having it's like why would I not do it for me? Right, when I know I don't want to let them down? So if they tell me to have these three things done, but the next time we meet I'm going to I want to have those three things done. So that's another fascinating thing too is like and to not beat myself up, because we're all really good at being able to do that right To to criticize ourselves and beat ourselves up versus acknowledging and honoring and celebrating what we've done and where we're at. So I very much always value having a coach help me along the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm kind of the same way. I typically always have either a therapist and a coach or both depending and I think one of the things that helps me is that they're always able to. Someone on the outside is just always able to see things so much more clearly that you can't, because you're emotionally tied to it, and you're it. If you take my business, for example, I'm living it every day, I'm thinking about it all the time, and so it's a whole in versus on concept. And then someone from the outside comes in who's not spending any time thinking about me or the business. They're just looking at it from that 30,000-foot view and they're like, oh, what about this? And you're like God, I'd never thought about that, like that's how it was so simple, how did I miss that? And it's like can't see it because you're too close to it. So I think that's that's it. The accountability part is great, but I just think that there's just something about that, the emotional detachment that a coach has. They just can see things. You literally just can't see them.
Speaker 2:I totally agree, and it's like that phrase right, you can't see the picture when you're in the frame. And even learning that with my first coach when I was not in a great place. I want to share this with your audiences. A lot of people don't want to when they're in the hard. A lot of people don't want to when they're in the hard. And when my coach asked me our first or second session, she suggested a reframe for me, which was, instead of questioning why me, she said you need to ask yourself why not me? Why not have a stroke at 34? Now you're a lot of people hear that and they're like what are you talking about? Who asked that? That's offensive. What do you? Who? Who wants to have a stroke at 34? And I'm very thankful that and maybe it was because my brain was not in an overly healed place quite yet that I had the courage to want to lean into that and say, yeah, why not? What's there? Because that's several of my life learning lessons have been from that question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean it's the whole. You know, life is 1% of what happens and 99% of how you react or like whatever the that's it respond.
Speaker 1:Whatever, those numbers aren't right, but you get the point. It's that stuff's going to happen to you all the time in life and it goes in waves and it's up down and there's severity of the ups and downs. But through all of that, it's mostly your choice and how you respond and you can, like you said, blame and play the victim and stay small, or you can try to figure out a different path and rise above it and, in your case, use it, you know, for good and strength and helping others, which I applaud greatly. Um, but it's not easy to do, because if it was easy to do, a lot more people would do it no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1:Thank you the, the blaming is easy, the pointing the finger is easy. Uh, that's why I tell my kids all the time when they are like you know, the coach or the officials or the weather or whatever, and I'm like it's the same for everybody, like that stuff's the same, so don't.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:Don't take the low hanging. Like it was this fault. Like don't do that. You control your effort and your attitude and your energy. And then whatever happens after that happens and that official did not wake up to ruin your fifth grade basketball game, like that was not his, that was not on his agenda. Like we're going to fleece this wreck basketball team today. Like he doesn't care, like he really doesn't.
Speaker 2:That's it, and I applaud you for you know sharing that type of um insight with them at their age. I I didn't have that, you know I mean.
Speaker 2:I had, you know, a great dad and then fortunately lost my mom too young but and she was great, um also, I just didn't have that type of support that was asking those types of questions to me where, you know, after losing my mom, you know, to kind of lead into, I took up sport as a way to process, even though I probably wasn't really doing a process right, I was probably just masking over all of it, but I took out all my frustration and anger in in playing tennis. I grew up playing tennis and I, you know I'm the girl that loves to win and hates to lose, and so I didn't have someone asking me those questions of like it wasn't their intention, you know the coach's intention to, like, you know, ruin your day because they called you out on something. But you know it's easy as a 15 year old to be like how, how dare they?
Speaker 1:so funny. I mean it's so sad. The parent it's, I mean the kids one thing, but the parents are just. They're so over the top, especially with the officials. It's like they're just volunteers, like this is not their full-time job, like they're making like 25 a game or you know a game, I don't know. They're doing it for the money. They want to be out, they're getting some exercise. They like the sport, they're supporting the kids for whatever reason. So why don't we just support them? They're literally not trying to swing this game. They don't have money on this game and they're trying to affect the outcome.
Speaker 1:There's no point spread here. This is not on DraftKings. You can't Just let it go. They're going to make bad calls. If you were the official, you would make bad calls. They're going to miss calls. The other thing they don't get is that they're trying to make the game flow. I'm really talking basketball here, but it's a lot. They called every travel or every or every foul. There would basically be no game, because at the younger levels there's a foul, and walking on every, almost every possession, you'd then complain they were calling too much and so then they'd stop calling and you'd be like no, now you got to call it like, just let the game go, just focus on your kid and your team.
Speaker 2:But no, it's always like the officials are terrible, it's like okay, well, they're bad both ways yeah, yeah, that's probably one of the several reasons. I probably it's not true, but you know, I chose. I chose not to have kids, and I because I know I'd probably be that parent and that is, that would not be the best version of myself. So I'll just say that there you go.
Speaker 1:Well, at least you're self-aware and honest I, I own that I coach my fifth.
Speaker 1:I didn't do a lot of coaching with my oldest and then I kind of regretted it. So now that my youngest he's 11, he's kind of going through the sports. So I've coached his basketball team the last two years. I did soccer one year. That was not for me, but I really try, I go out of my way. I don't say anything to the officials, like I never complain about calls, um, I try to. I thank them if I can after every game because like I know that I'm in the minority and like sometimes they're not great, but who cares?
Speaker 1:right, it's just like right it is um, like I said, it's not their main. It's not their main gig saturday mornings at the gym 12 straight. You know fifth and sixth grade games, like like. That's not a really a great way to spend the Saturday, but they're doing it again for a little bit of money and some enjoyment. So when you're playing tennis, so it's interesting. Your two sports are both very individual sports, very mental sports. Both golf and tennis, right, are very. You really have to stay on top of your mental game because you can get down like pretty easily. Stay on top of your mental game Cause you can. You can get down like pretty easily and you don't have anybody, you don't have teammates to pick you up per se. Um, do you think that you ever ever thought about like that you did two individual sports versus like a team sport?
Speaker 2:That's not. Not as much as I as you say it right now, because what I, what I love and know about myself, is how much I love to be a part of a team and collab and partnership, which is also interesting as a solopreneur, which that's where it's brought my awareness to, it's like that's where it feels hard sometimes is that it is just me wearing all the hats and, while I've enjoyed doing some contract facilitation work and partnerships, it's like I'm part of a team and people, and so it is interesting to look back and see that you know tennis, even though I was on a team, it was me and I put a lot of pressure on me to want to win for my team and even in golf, I'm competing with me. For a long time, I think that I was competing with my husband and it's like, no, I'm competing with me. For a long time, I could think that I was competing with my husband and it's like, no, I'm competing with me. So that's helped shift my mindset playing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I played golf in high school and it was part of a team too, but it was like nobody else could hit shots for me, right, right, I had to do it all. Whatever I shot and they shot, we add them up. Right, I had to do it all. Whatever I shot and they shot, we add them up. Whereas in basketball or soccer, football, whatever baseball even, obviously somebody else could drive in a run or somebody else can make a shot or make a tackle, whatever the case may be. But tennis and golf are both, like, I guess, doubles. Tennis would be a little bit different because your teammate could pick you up there, but if it's individual one-on-one, then if it's not going well, you can't sub, you can't be like I'll have somebody else do it for a couple games. You have to figure out a way through it. It is actually a great solopreneur analogy. Maybe you should write that post the golf, tennis solopreneur.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you, it's got my wheels turning and, as you say that now it's like even in high school playing tennis, even though I'm on a team and yet it was still individualized. Looking back now it's like I didn't want to let them down by losing that point, just like being on a team in corporate sales. I didn't want to let them down by not having a good week or a good month or you know, it affected our location or it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a good reflection in the moment right now that way, so I'll have to think about that too. But yeah, the solopreneur game although you can, I'm learning and leaning into trying to outsource some things, no matter how good you are, nobody's great at everything and there's so much to business, right, there's sales and marketing and content and coaching and taxes and networking and websites. There's so many aspects Not that you need all of them, but you do need a lot of them and it's just almost impossible for any one person to just be a master or a guru at every facet. So I think really leaning into really doubling down on your strengths and then outsourcing or just getting help on those places where you don't either have the capacity or the expertise and there's people out there that can help you.
Speaker 2:So couldn't, couldn't agree more. And another, another book that was supportive, as I was sharing my where I was really probably this time last year with a friend of mine here in indies. She suggested the book who, not how, so know your who's? And I I wish I could remember the author. You probably know his name because he's written several books. Um, but that was, that was great insight. So you know, as I continue to to grow this thing, it's like who can be my who's?
Speaker 1:No, I haven't heard of the book, but I love the idea behind it Because, again, just some things are just, even if you could be good at them. You're like I don't have time, my baseline is too low and I'd have to do a bunch of training or take a course or watch a bunch of videos. You're like that's just not. You're always paying with time or money. I think people forget that. You're like well, I'm not going to hire this person. Well then, you're going to pay with your time to try to figure it out. So how much is your time worth? So if you're going to pay that coach, you know which is replaceable and our time isn't, and so some things, just, yeah, I could do it, it would just take me forever. I just don't have time to try to figure it out. I don't want to spend time doing that, so I'll find somebody that can.
Speaker 1:That's one of the great things about LinkedIn. I mean you could post right now and say, hey, I need website help or I need marketing help or email help or whatever, and I mean someone would see it in probably five minutes and be like hey, just reach out to this person or this person's great Like you would get a bunch of referrals in a couple hours. And that's the beauty of LinkedIn, because there's so many people that do so many specific things. There's so many people that do you know so many specific things. So, like you said, with a, with a growing network and and who you know um, you know who can help when you, when you need it and where you need it, and sometimes you need it pretty quickly.
Speaker 2:So it's nice to be able to reach out and and do it. Agreed, well, said.
Speaker 1:What? Um? So what's next Like? What do you like? What's your vision for the? Do you want to keep doing one-on-one? Are you going to do group coaching? Is it going to be hybrid speaking and coaching? What is your vision for the future of your business?
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's still hybrid. Again, I love to speak If I can bring some of the foundational type skills in a more holistic way for teams leaders understanding the value of a resource like myself to be able to pour into their people on a more of a mental and emotional level, so therefore they can be the best version of who they want them to be in a professional setting. Um, so if I can do that through speaking and team workshop, I I want to. I'm leaning that. That way it fills my cup. Um, and then I am doing a group coaching cohort April 1st, so I'm doing that through masterclasses. So my next masterclass, if I may share, is March 18th, and that's all about how to prioritize you without guilt.
Speaker 2:And I think a lot of people get confused with the word time versus priority. You know, when people say I don't have time, does that usually have to do with something that you want to do that you're not making time for, and so when you change that word of priority, it hits different, and so it's being able to provide tools and strategies to support. Here's how that can look for you and it not feel like you have to take the whole day off or whole week off or half a day. It's like, here are these small bursts of things that you can pour into you. That way you can continue to show up as the best you can for everybody else around you that you serve all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I love that. The masterclass and the workshops, I think, are a great way to get people kind of into your orbit and get to experience. You know you and your energy and your experience, and then you know. From there it's easier, I think, to decide to move forward and work together, versus just like content or emails, which can obviously be a little, a little stiffer in terms of like the personality aspect and the energy aspect. So, um, I think that's a great, I think that's a great approach, uh.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Kind of continual repetitive process for you, and obviously speaking is just kind of the same way a little different presentation, but the same idea. So, no, I think it's great, I love that you're doing it and you've made it through year three or four, which is just not easy to do.
Speaker 2:Thank you, correct. Yeah, it's never forgetting to be proud of myself for being where I am now in the solopreneur world, because a few years ago I would have never told you I'd be one, that's for sure. So thank you for acknowledging that.
Speaker 1:No, it's not easy. As someone who's only been doing it for a little over a year, it's tough. It's way harder, way harder than being an employee. I don't care how much you hate your job, it is way easier, way easier. Just to take the paycheck and grind out the work and clock out. That's the safety.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not real safety because it can go away at any time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, it's. It's not real safety, cause it can go away at any time.
Speaker 2:But you're right.
Speaker 1:Yes, you're right, it's safer.
Speaker 2:Safer yeah totally.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, no, so thanks for coming on. Before we wrap up, I do want to talk, uh, sports gambling, cause you're one of the few people that I've met who actually knows, like, what a point spread is.
Speaker 1:Most people don't know what a point spread is and they couldn't explain it and they've never placed a bet. So I grew up so my dad's been in the horse business for most of my life, so I grew up going to the track. So you know I learned pretty quickly what a trifecta, what a trifecta box was like when I was like eight, um, and then I was kind of exposed to sports gambling, which wasn't as big a thing in the 80s, but it was with bookies and stuff. There was obviously no, no draft kings and vandal then. But uh, you could play stats if you wanted to. So I, pretty early on, just understood. And then my friends, and like school, we all, just we all just understood.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's one of those things you kind of get or you don't like, right, just seven, and they're seven and a half favorites. Like you just kind of know what that means and you know you don't really have to explain it. Or you're like I don't know what that means and you try to explain, you're like I still don't get it. So it seems to be very all or none, um, so yeah, so I've been around it like most of my life, I don't place big bets because I don't really do it for money. It's mostly entertainment. And then now, obviously, with the online apps, I use draft kings, um, but it is fun. It is. It adds a little extra appeal. If you're watching a game, I find football to be the best in terms of the easiest sport to bet, just the way the game is played, um basketball, with fouls and three-pointers. I hate betting, so, uh, yeah, I'd love to hear, like, your background on sports betting and gambling, because it's pretty rare.
Speaker 1:You're the first person that's been on this show that I've ever talked to it about, which also pleases me greatly.
Speaker 2:I'm honored. Yeah, I mean, I've always been a sports girl, so it was introduced to me. Fanduel was introduced to me three years ago, okay, and I was instantly curious. And what I've learned three years in? I only do NFL and college football, so I don't feel like I really know enough about, about the basketball world to to do it.
Speaker 2:Um, and all the other sports bigger risk, bigger reward I would say like, for example, you know, to guess who's going to win the PGA on a Sunday is is much more of a challenge, I would say, unless you've got a five stroke league. But what I, what I know about myself, david, three years in, to your point, it's like. It's like it's like a round of golf, it's like through a season, you know one week I'm going to hit, and that puts you on a high, but like, the next four or five weekends probably aren't going to go the way you wanted them to go. But then you go up, you know, then you, then you hit a parlay and you're like, oh, fantastic, you know, and that that just keeps you on that high. So what I want to become better at is not always betting with my heart, though, versus understanding more of the, paying attention to some of the guys on ESPN.
Speaker 1:They have no idea what they're talking about.
Speaker 2:They don't either. I understand that.
Speaker 1:I swear to God, I almost did this. I think you could take their best bets and go the opposite. You could fade them.
Speaker 1:I think you'd make a fortune. Every time I've ever followed one of their best bets which is always really random, by the way it's like a single person's point total, not even a good player. A bench player's point total is like seven and a half. Take the over. It's like huh, you don't even know how many minutes he's going to play. He's going to score eight or more points. I swear. I think their bets are wrong, like 80% of the time. I can just be me. Anyway, sorry to interrupt. No, you're good.
Speaker 2:Well, that's good insight as I navigate this next season. But I have a blast. I love watching football, so it does make it a little bit more fun watching games that you maybe normally wouldn't, because if a certain team wins, it's like even a little risk could be a big reward.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, so it's for me. It's about just being right. It's never about the money, it's just like, oh, being right, because the sportsbooker, like it's their job to know more than you and they do. They just have they have too many resources. Um, and talking about, like, emotional attachment, the books are not attached to the outcome, so the spreads are only designed to A, to get action both ways, and then that's it. And then the public loves the favorites because of psychology, because it's always easier for someone to do something by more than it is to do something less, and they make profit from that because most people bet the favorites. Like you said, there's a lot of hard betting, so so you're betting on your team, whether it's your hometown team or favorite team or favorite player, so there's a lot of that which has no bearing in logic or weather or anything. You're just like, yeah, colts, colts are seven point home favorites, like, all right, let's do it, and they lose by 10.
Speaker 2:You're like no way right so.
Speaker 1:But there's there's tons of like I. But there's there's tons of like I love the psychology. Like there's tons of ton of recency bias bias in gambling which people don't really understand. Like spreads are affected so much by what has just happened because they know that people are seeing that.
Speaker 1:So like in NFL you see a team play really poorly and get blown out and then the next week like, oh, that team sucks Well, sucks well maybe, but what's really going to happen is that next week they're going to practice a lot harder, their coaches are going to coach them a lot harder and they have pride, they're going to play a lot better. But like you can't get that score from the week before like out of your head, like, oh, they were so awful and then what happened?
Speaker 1:then you end up betting against them and then, of course, they play better, because that's just that's how it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as a diehard Colts fan, lifelong Colts fan, I will never bet on them. I will never bet on them to lose or win, because they will surprise me every single time. It gets my heart rate beating faster right now even thinking about it.
Speaker 1:What about keeping Chris Ballard for year nine of one playoff win? What's that do for your heart rate?
Speaker 2:Not happy about it.
Speaker 1:Just not of one playoff win. How does that? What's that do for your heart rate? Not happy about it, just not. I just wonder how much long? What is our station? Give him like a?
Speaker 2:10-year leash be like all right, it's, maybe it's gonna work or not. This could go go another episode, um, but he's, he's, he's not it, and I'll be curious to see what we do quarterback wise this this season. I don't know if they think Anthony Richardson's it. I don't know. What do you?
Speaker 1:think he's not it, but he's great entertainment because literally anything can happen on any play and that's not. I know it's wild, I'm not really. I'm a Bengals fan but I don't root against the Colts. I mean I would like to see them win if they can. But Richardson is fascinating because literally every play is on the table every single time, like it can be the greatest.
Speaker 1:I mean the throw he had to, uh, uh, I'm drawing a blank on his name, the wide receiver Cincinnati Um, but it was like the first second game last year he threw it like off. He threw it off like one foot 70 yards in the air. I mean like almost impossible to have that, to have that type of strength and he was even like Pierce. Pierce. I couldn't, just couldn't think of his name, but he like slipped. I can't remember the exact play, but he like literally slipped and almost fell.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Literally one step, two defenders in his face, you know 70 yards in the air in stride. So he can do that which probably like five people on planet earth are even physically capable of doing. That, which is incredible. And then he can. He can't make like the most basic five-yard slant route to get the first down, like it's at somebody's feet, it's over, it's whatever. So he's fascinating because he's so gifted but yet so far from being polished and like an actual, true nfl. So like it's. I understand the appeal, but I just don't know if he can ever get to the point where he can corral like the mistakes enough to allow like the good plays to be enough.
Speaker 2:Agreed, as exciting as he is and I was as excited as I was when we drafted him, you know. Now it's like, oh, he is very inexperienced, yeah, he's got potential and it's exciting to your point, but it's like we need a lot more of the five yard slant plays than we do the 70 yarders yeah, because the nfl just doesn't allow.
Speaker 1:Like the big plays just don't happen enough and so you have to make. You just have to make the more fundamental uh plays, um, more often than not. So I don't know. I'm sure they'll bring in I assume Flacco is not coming back because he's like my age and I think the days of playing professional sports are over, so hopefully they bring in a little younger veteran. But yeah, I don't know. The problem with the Colts and Ballard is that they're like you never really want to be in the middle. Winning six to nine games is the worst, because you can't compete with the Chiefs and the Bills currently, but you're not bad enough to get the better draft pick, so you just end up in the middle, that's the worst.
Speaker 2:You'd rather just bottom out. That's the worst. Yeah, that's the worst. That's where we've been more times than not the last decade yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like, yeah, they go 8 and 9. So you're like, oh, alright, they're like close, like well, they're not really that close. And so like, what do you do? And yeah, I don't know. Um, I think Steichen's fine, I think their roster's just average. Um, I don't love their receivers. I don't think either of their lines are good enough to play at the highest level and then with the ex-market quarterback, I don't know. I mean, the good part for them is their division sucks.
Speaker 2:I guess, that helps.
Speaker 1:The Jaguars are a mess. The Titans are terrible. Texans look decent for a year.
Speaker 2:They were still okay last year.
Speaker 1:But they're the Texans, so they could drop off to basically tomorrow and nobody would be surprised. I think that's the best.
Speaker 2:There's always hope, yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you get excited for the draft? The draft's coming up. Do you do anything for the draft?
Speaker 2:I don't do anything, but I certainly keep an eye on it for sure, especially really the whole, the whole time. I'm not going to probably watch it. I may watch round one because it is kind of exciting. But yeah, I'm not going to spend too much time and energy on it. I'll I'll keep my eye on who we, who we draft, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, two draft zoom. So myself and two of my longtime friends, we we get on a zoom and we make fun of gaudel and the draft and drink some bourbon, and I like the name of it, it's good yeah we almost started a podcast, so my first. Well, I wanted to be a broadcaster as a kid, so this is like my foray into that, like you know, 40 years later.
Speaker 1:So a few years ago, I tried to talk them into doing it was going to be called bourbon betting and bullshit, and we were going to do, we were going to do a podcast on. We would drink bourbon, we would talk about bourbon and we would talk gambling and point spreads. They were kind of on board but I could tell, like not, they weren't as committed as I was, and so we got on one time. It wasn't an episode, we just got on to record and we just kind of talked about ideas and then I just pulled the plug because I was like this isn't really going to work. They don't really want to do it. I'm going to do all the work, um, whatever. So I scrapped it. No, here we are could, could happen again.
Speaker 2:Who knows you're? You're so passionate about it and there's an audience there, I have no doubt.
Speaker 1:Well, especially now, I mean I feel bad, frankly, for a lot of these young kids that have never gambled before and now they have access to. It's not good Because you can't win. You'll lose long term. It's not set up. I mean, casinos are built, the casinos are not. Vegas is not built because you're winning.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:It is set up for you to lose. You can win, but over the long haul you won't Do it lightly for low money for entertainment. Don't try to pay your bills with sport betting because you can't do it. I mean there are a few that can Almost all cannot.
Speaker 2:It's impressive if you can, because they are very few. That can't, almost all cannot. It's impressive if you can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they are very few. Yeah, we used to go to Vegas a lot. I've talked to some guys that did it, that have done it as like a career and honestly, you don't want that lifestyle.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they have done it, but like hearing their stories. It's like you don't want to live like that it, but like hearing their stories it's like you don't want to live.
Speaker 1:You don't want to live like that. No, I don't. So, um, well, this is great. Thanks for so much for coming on uh and sharing your story and talking point spreads, uh, which is near and dear to my heart. I thank you for that. Uh, any final words? Uh, anything to leave the audience with? And then, uh, how can they, if they want to find out more, how can they get in touch with you? Website, linkedin profile, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've had a great time. Thanks so much for having me. I'm very active on LinkedIn, so please connect with me there. Jennifer Chapman, leadership Coach, I believe, and that'll be available to you when this episode comes out, as well as justcommitcoachingcom. Easily to schedule, even a complimentary, you know coaching. Call on there, happy to happy to do that. You know, connect for 30 minutes and then we can attach a link to my masterclass coming up next month. Both men and women are welcome If you're struggling to to prioritize you without the guilt, and we'll kind of explore how to how to be able to do that the guilt and we'll kind of explore how to how to be able to do that and it feel easier, awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's me. Well appreciate your story, uh, insight and energy. Thanks for coming on, looking forward to catching up. I'll meet up again next month. So thanks, jennifer, appreciate it yeah, thanks David.